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[–] fukurthumz420 46 points 4 months ago (13 children)

atheism is the answer. until we as a whole reject religion, these incidents will be recurring.

[–] Jiggle_Physics 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know homophobes that are atheists. while religion being gone would decrease it, do not expect it to be gone just because of that. People will always have issues with people different than they are.

[–] fukurthumz420 6 points 4 months ago (21 children)

yes, but with religion out of the way, we can implement better education to reduce 'otherism' bias. i am convinced that the only obstacles stopping us from being better humans are all rooted in BS fairy tales.

[–] Jiggle_Physics 3 points 4 months ago

You can be convinced, you will be wrong though. Religion is a means of justifying otherism, not the origin of it. People will just create another bunch of bullshit to justify why they aren't bad people.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

While true they won't have a belief system that backs it up, it won't have the power behind it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are smart homophobes. They use science, however flawed it is, to promote their arguments. Cutting out religion would take care of the few vocal people who genuinely believe being gay is against their religion but it definitely wouldn't take care of the larger problem which has always been xenophobia.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No one is going to vote for science, give me a break. You don't drive people to the polls based on a study or a syllogism, you get people to vote for you based on FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Religion is freaken awesome at this.

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[–] Jiggle_Physics 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They will just create a different one, like the atheists that are homophobic have.

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[–] vonxylofon 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't work. USSR murdered and prisoned both religious people and gay people alike. The answer is not being a fucking cockwomble, which is admittedly more easily done if you're an atheist, but by no means is a guarantee.

[–] fukurthumz420 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

agreed! but the path to not being a cockwomble aligns pretty well with the goals of a reason based, humanitarian, secular society.

if you don't agree, what's your path towards our common goal?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Don't think you solve the problem of intolerance with bigotry towards religious people.

The article doesn't mention anything about the group of men being religious, you're just using this as an opportunity to attack religion because that's something you hate.

Hatred doesn't solve anything.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (19 children)

Not necessarily. Plenty of chill religious people and unchill atheists. Russian homophobia, for instance, is generally secular.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)
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[–] afraid_of_zombies 2 points 4 months ago

7 decades ago.....

[–] afraid_of_zombies 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really? So why is that Krill East Orthodox Shaman announcing he hates gays every single week?

Also show me the religious Muslim who isn't a homophobe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Up until fairly recently, Orthodoxy was not a strong influence on Russian life.

According to this Guardian article, British Muslims have no chill, but more than a few Muslims on the mainland are chill with gays, particularly in France.

You seem very centered on Abrahamic religions. Pretty much all Western neopagans are tolerant of homosexuals. Francis Cabral, a Jesuit missionary, recounts with disgust about how homosexual relations were tolerated by Japanese Buddhists. Hsing Yun, a Taiwanese Buddhist who died last year, specifically said that homosexuals must be tolerated. Haitian Voodoo has two deities associated with homosexuality. Various indigenous religions in America have similarly tolerant views, and the term "two-spirit" comes from them.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Up until fairly recently, Orthodoxy was not a strong influence on Russian life.

Someone should have informed my grandmother and all her old friends of this fact, since they were evidently confused.

You seem very centered on Abrahamic religions

And?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Homophobia and Atheism aren't mutually exclusive to one another, hell I know plenty of Atheist Transphobes.. some of whom used to be gay allies until they were radicalized by the Alt Right.

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