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[–] givesomefucks 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This is bigger than me, so I'll step aside to beat Trump.

Would pretty much guarantee whoever filled his spot became president.

But moderates demand 100% loyalty. Even if Biden thinks they're right eventually, he's not going to change his mind for "the left". Even when it's other moderates. He's been turning on a lot of allies immediately after they even questioned if he should stay in, and claiming CNN and the NY times all sorts of shit despite them backing him all the way up till now.

Biden has never been good at accepting criticism or dealing with confrontation. It's what torpedoed his first primary back in 88. If someone isn't with him, Biden considers them against him.

He's a lot like trump in that regard, loyalty is a one way street.

[–] TropicalDingdong 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would pretty much guarantee whoever filled his spot became president.

100%. Biden is and has been the worst possible candidate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I can think of an oranger, worster candidate...

[–] TropicalDingdong 0 points 4 months ago

I mean do you even know a what you mean by that?

A "good" candidate is one that can win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I don't think this is really a moderates thing, I think this is a Biden ego thing and the Democrats being paralyzed by their deference to established leaders even when they're clearly in the wrong. The only Democrat on record saying he should step down is some nobody. And there's a whole lot of moderates damning him with faint praise of "that's something Joe Biden will have to decide" rather than "no, of course he should stay in".

I don't expect Biden to be replaced by someone not thoroughly bland and plotting a triangulating path through the electorate. Hell, it's entirely possible Biden's fits and starts of throwing the left a bone occasionally will be "the good times" for progressives. But what I do know is the Joe is almost certain to lose and we need someone who can win. Sub in Kamala or Buttigieg or (ugh) Newsome, it'll still let me breath a sigh of relief.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There is literally nothing that guarantees a replacement candidate becomes president. Wishful thinking at best.

[–] givesomefucks 3 points 4 months ago

Would pretty much guarantee

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

CNN maybe, but the NYT has been hammering him on the age issue for years at this point.