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Resoundingly lost the debate?
That's insane.
At least he answered the questions correctly, building off solid domestic policy over the past four years.
Dumps didn't tell the truth at all, and that s*** doesn't fly like it did 8 years ago.
They don't need an alternative, people need to vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eMauO_T88
Answered the questions correctly?
I can hardly even make out words.
What I could pick out, translated to (as) coherent (as possible) English:
"A young woman who just was murdered, and he went to the funeral, and the idea she was murdered by an immigrant coming in, they talk about that. Here's the deal, there's a lot of young women being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. I, wah, jus, jusjusjus ridiculous. You can do nothing about it. And they try to arrest them when they go across state lines."
In what world do you live in where that is "correctly answering" a question about abortion?
You really need to stop sabotaging the Democrat party with your Blue MAGA horse-shit.
Quit projecting your sabotage.
I didn't say that he answered every question exactly how you personally want it to be answered.
Also, that's the one clip that's been posted on every news site, did you even watch the debate?
He's old.,you crybaby.
If you've ever spoken to an old person, that's what they sound like sometimes.
It doesn't change that he's been doing a good job for 4 years.
You can vote for the rapist, I'm going to keep going with the guy who invests in clean, sustainable energy, legislates new civil rights, provides funding for health care and told Walmart and other corporates to lower their prices.
You're so transparent.
Literally the only people who say blue maga are actual maga people.
Maga's an idiot fascist rapist slogan, so you can keep it to yourself and quit projecting it onto liberals.
No shit
I know, it's weird people are acting surprised by his age.
Where do you see surprise? What, you think he is just immune from criticism because of his age, so that commenter must simply be unaware that he's old? Theres nothing about biden people are more aware of!
In the way people pretend that he isn't talking like every old person in the entire world talks.
And the way they pretend it's weird that an old man isn't walking as spritely as a 20-year-old.
Don't expect an old man to be a young man.
I aint beating around the bush, show me where you see these things. Show me where they say hes not talking like other old people, show me where they say its weird hes not walking like a young person.
You don't hear anybody complaining about how he walks or how he talks?
You aren't reading any of these comments?
That's all I keep hearing references to.
Nobody can keep in mind his administration's policies if he isn't doing cartwheels, apparently.
Nah mate its time to back up these specific accusations. Show me where they say hes not talking like other old people, show me where they say its weird hes not walking like young people. Youre gonna realize the difference here
Nah mate, if you're having this much trouble reading in the first place, I don't see the point in providing further examples.
You havent provided one! Youve accused someone of saying things they did not say, because you cannot defend against what they actually said. Bidens health and mental coherence are being judged as a candidate of US president, not as an old person. Being old does not grant any immunity from these criticisms
Nobody said being old grants you immunity from people teasing you about being old.
One would hope that four surprisingly progressive years would carry more weight than how many somersaults you can do.
As you've pointed out, people really like somersaults.
What?
Somersaults: they're a forward acrobatic tumble.
I know what a somersault is. Who the fuck is talking about somersaults?
No wonder you're confused if you can't follow a one-topic conversation.
People are insisting Biden perform physically better than not just other old people during this one media circus, but most people, ignoring that acrobatics are not an integral part of being a president.
He's been working well and achieving good results for 4 years.
Let biden continue to do good work.
I've been accused of talking about somersaults. Stop this lying shit.
I'm not lying.
I'm right.
Well we just cant talk if youre gonna bold faced lie about what I say.
If you have so much trouble reading that you become confused by simple sentences and examples, you probably should go practice for a while before attempting conversation.
He has single handedly disenfranchised record numbers of voters with a genocide.
And you say "he's old" like that's just some write off thing. Its not just some write off thing. If him being old is what is making him incapable of stringing together a coherent thought or WALKING OFF A STAGE UNASSISTED, then GET SOMEONE WHO ISNT ANCIENT.
Get your head out of your ass buddy.
When the dems lose, its because of what you are doing here.
100% avoidable. Get literally anyone who can enunciate a full sentence and hasnt personally orchestrated a genocide, and they will win.
Keep Blue MAGAing and being delulu, and you will have succeeded in handing Trump the office again.
You maga zealots are such frightened children, running after abusive dumps because you mistake abuse for affection.
You vote for the rapist, I'm going to vote for someone who's made positive policy decisions for four years.
I don't care if Biden can walk at all, FDR was in a wheelchair.
Look at the policies, you blind bat.
Biden's administration has benefited the US immensely, domestically and abroad.
He's advanced civil liberties.
Biden's a great president, dumps is a rapist and literally a traitor.
Twice you, a person who has been demonstrably Blue MAGA in this conversation, have called me, a disenfranchised Independent former Democrat who plans on voting for Jill Stein unless the DNC can produce a viable candidate, a MAGA.
You have literally described Biden as an old invalid potato and you still shill him.
Get a clue dude.
"He is strong on the economy, Bidenomics work." Noone can afford a house, increasingly people cant afford food, CEO salaries and corporation profit margins are at an all time high though.
"He has benefited the US domestically." Is this in reference to the US infrastructure? So he fixed the water in Flint issue, right? Oh... he didnt do anything. Well at least he has taken action on the spread of PFAS... oh, he hasnt dont anything about that. Well, at least our roads and bridges are in good working order... oh, no, they are crumbling and collapsing at a consistent rate.
"He has benefited the US abroad." He has turned America into the criminal baddies on a global scale. He has provided unfettered support, rhetorically and fiscally, to an WJC indited war criminal, and has threatened the WJC in defense of the war criminal. He has turned most of the world against the US.
"dumps is a rapist and literally a traitor." 100% agree. That is why we NEED someone who will be able to beat him at general, and Biden will not do that. Biden will not be president in 2025. I guarantee it.
Voting third party doesn't necessary make you MAGA, but you're certainly helping them.
Not necessarily. Most people live in states where their vote for president won't do much, and voting third party can actually help.
We need to teach people more about secondary effects of voting and how third parties work.
You're not fooling anybody by pretending to be independent while screaming blue maga.
You vote for rape, I vote for progressive social policies.
And no, you don't need The perfect magical candidate, you need the candidate who already won before who implements good domestic and foreign policy.
I mean not you personally, you're voting for rape, but any progressives who ignore the lgbtq legislation and healthcare and green energy and the absurd amount of good the Biden administration has done for so that they can scuff the dirt with their chucks and wish they had a "better" candidate that did more of all the things Biden is already doing?
Short-sighted and delusional.
Dude, you need meds. Like Biden. And Trump.
Wow, you're projecting again, shocking.
Under Biden, your medication actually might be paid for.
Oh really?
I thought he "beat Medicare."
His words. Not mine.
It's very revealing that you think it's more important he momentarily used the wrong word in a sentence instead of the fact that he implemented and expanded the affordable care act over two administrations.
Very revealing that a consistent problem that has been pointed out repeatedly for years at this point is, in your mind, "momentary".
Good thing we arent talking about the office of President of the United States. The most important office in the world to be a strong leader and strong orator. An office where a "momentary" bout of dementia could spark a nuclear war.
Also a good thing that he hasnt spent a year orchestrating a genocide that has resulted in war crime indictments, creating all time high international military tension since WWII.
Very revealing that you keep focusing on them a momentary speech problem from a guy with a stutter who's been achieving legislation for 4 years without a problem.
We should be talking about the president of the United States, because that invalidates all of your criticisms about him not doing any break-dancing.
What I would like is an administration that advances civil rights, protects national forests, invests and infrastructure and sustainable energy.
A leader who gets along well with presidents of other countries so that we enter back into climate accords and people trust the US again.
What are you looking for?
Rape? Treason? That's what you're supporting.
Yes, it is good that Biden hasn't "spent a year orchestrating a genocide".
So you reject reality and substitute your own.
Good Progressive (ie: Hilary-not-actually-left-person)
Nope, you're wrong again.
Unlike you, I can think for myself.
So you can see Biden has shit the Federal bed.
Cool.
Who is your recommended alternative?
To Biden? The good president with successful domestic and foreign policies that have helped people for 4 years?
I'm voting for Biden.
You're voting for the rapist traitor? Bold move.
They're going to memory hole last night. Nothing to see. Biden had a strong showing. And we're all going to be fucked.
The delivery was bad but it makes sense: A woman was murdered by an immigrant, he (Trump) went to the funeral and tries to demagogue it. Meanwhile Republicans are passing laws to criminalize abortion and prosecute women who try to travel to other states after they're raped by people they know. So Trump and his party don't give a shit about prosecuting rapes or protecting women, they just want to demonize immigrants and control women's bodies.
Edit: You also left out the preceding lines where he talks about Georgia and other states legislating a six-week abortion ban, which sets up the point more clearly.
You can do the same thing to try to save Trump's Boat-Electricity-Shark flub, which was SOMEHOW more coherent than what came out of Biden's mouth.
We need to stop encouraging the Dems to advance a man who will SOMEHOW lose to Trump.
We need to pounce and, open our ears, and get the currently roughly 47% of Americans who are saying simply "anyone else" attention again, because the way its going, Trump is going to get roughly 30 % of the vote, Biden is going to get roughly 20-25% of the vote, and remaining 47% is voting RFK, Jill Stein, or they just aren't showing up.
Biden is a losing horse, and this isn't Sea-biscuit.
You are entitled to your opinion but a large majority of voters disagree with you. So it’s a problem regardless of how you perceived it.
That large majority of voters already disagreed with me before the debate, so the point is moot.
I don't care what people who can't think critically are thinking.
It's like being upset with a child.
Speak for yourself, don't pretend you're speaking for anyone else.
Well these are the people who decide the outcome of the election so I still care what they think even if they lack critical thinking skills.
The debate really doesn’t have any impact on my vote because voting for Trump is unthinkable for people who actually understand the issues.
But I think it does give us information about how well prepared Biden is to oppose him. And I came away feeling that he is very unprepared for the task. So in that sense, I agree that he lost.
That's quite a hunk of cynical gymnastic rationalization.
Anybody who is swayed by a presidential debate of this caliber is chaff.
They're the same type of people shouting for the T-shirt cannon to notice them.
You can't stop that, and it doesn't matter how they process information.
You caring about them doesn't change anything, they want to be tricked.
Biden is well equipped to oppose Trump.
His policies have been and are incredibly beneficial for the United States and other countries, while dumps is consistently incredibly harmful and insulting domestically and abroad.
Biden has at least as much money in the campaign, he has a much better track record, more Americans agree with his policy statistically, and he doesn't constantly lie and hasn't been lying for almost a decade to the point that even the people on his side are tired of it and calling him out as they are with trump.
Biden doesn't have the election in the bag, but he's more than equipped to oppose the human equivalent of a twitter sock puppet.
You’re calling me cynical while referring to two thirds of Americans as insane and chaff? Feel free to dwell in your own fantasy world where Biden is cruising to reelection but please stay out of the way as the rest of us try to figure out a way to save our country from fascism.
Godspeed in your flying boat, nemo.
You're delusional If you think you're solving anything by complaining unproductively.
The only way I can influence the Democratic nominee is through raising my voice. Will it change the outcome? Probably not, but what else can I do besides prepare for Trump round two?
You can stop pretending that an old guy talking like an old guy in what is obviously a media circlejerk that has nothing to do with "debate" invalidates the past 4 years of his administration pursuing and achieving breakthrough legislation.
Instead of surfing the bandwagon with "he old, me sad", acknowledge that despite mumbling, Biden has consistently instituted policies and funding for issues that people have been fighting for for decades in his first term and there's no real reason to vote against him or to spread some unrealistic measure of success.
Biden's investing in green and sustainable energy, he's providing funding for lgbtq unions, he's protecting national forests, complaining that he also isn't winning arm wrestling contests is completely unhelpful and demeaning the very good work he's been doing.
What can you do "besides prepare for Trump"?
Stop pretending Trump is an inevitability because you think wearing cynicism like a merit badhr looks cool on 4chan.
Explain to people how exactly irrelevant and unhelpful complaining about non-issues is when considering their next president.