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I hate how religious people always focus just on others not liking their religion. And never on why people don't like it, and definitely not what they can do to change it.
The rare cases they do, it's just to try and change the public perception. Never about how to actually fix the valid reasons people don't like their religion.
It's slightly more organized cults with better PR
Well, when you believe you're following the word of God, you're going to place that well above the complaints of society.
On lemmy.world, without even talking about the tankie places, a post positive about religion will be downvoted, no matter what the subject or argumentation is. One can be against religion, that's understandable, but that's just being aggressive.
Because the vast majority of religions oppress people...
And lots of religious people don't want to fix that, they want to skip to where everyone treats religious people better and ignore how religions treat people.
If you follow an Abrhamic religion and claim to have to be against abortion and LGBTQ because your religion tells you to....
All the Abrhamic religions also say to do horrible shit like kill non-believers. So if they're saying they have to follow the rules and it's not their choice, we can look at the other things their religions tell them to do, and assume the reason they're quite about those parts, is they don't have the numbers to accomplish those parts.
Yet.
If they want people to be nicer, their primary focus needs to be on fixing their own house first.
It's like a narcissist demanding everyone forgive them, but they don't actually apoligize and definitely don't change the behavior that upset people.
I went to Catholic school for two years, and I don't recall being taught to kill non-believers.
That's kind of the whole point...
Catholics say they have to be against abortion and LGBT because of what the Bible says, but even worse shit is in there that is being ignored because Catholicism doesn't have the numbers.
So either you don't have to follow it, or the organized religion isn't being honest about what they want
And followers are often naive. Which is why it doesn't matter when a fringe group says they decided to draw the line at a more time appropriate line.
If some of it isn't binding, none of it is. And eventually another extremist group will spring from your ideology.
It's like if people started marching around with swastikas but said it's cool because they only follow "the good parts" of being a fucking nazi. If we accept them as a valid group, eventually some members will embrace the other shit.
With religions it's even worse, because you believe an all-powerful entity exists and will follow what you think that entity works. The majority of evil in this world is people who believe they are acting for the greater good.
Catholicism has the numbers. There are several countries in the world which are majority Catholic. (Including Vatican City, which is 100% Catholic.)
It takes more than a simple majority to start killing every nonbeliever...
And like I said:
What's your explanation for saying the Bible forces them to only have some political beliefs and not to support everything?
If they can pick and choose, why should we care what they pick? Either it doesn't matter to them what the Bible says, or they're not honest about their motivations and/or goals
Paraguay is about 90% Catholic. Is that enough of a majority? Should we expect a massacre in Paraguay any day now?
I'm a Christian and believe that abortion should be legal and free and that homosexuality isn't a sin. My church has similar positions. Why should I ask people to excuse me for things others do?
So...
You're a Christian that doesn't follow the Bible?
Then you're just picking and choosing what parts you believe and what parts you don't.
Who knows what crazy shit does your cult believes? What opinions do you hold based on faith and an old person telling you to hold?
It's fucking dangerous for everyone else.
Why should people just take your word that you only follow the "good parts" and why should they believe what you think is good is actually moral?
If you're picking and choosing what parts to follow, you can't hide behind your religion as a shield.
I follow the Bible, but I'm not a litteralist. You should read things about Christianity before having definitive jugments.
You believe a higher power provides instructions, but you disregard some of those instructions.
Even if the parts you follow align with modern mores, you're not following them for logical reasons.
And you can't seem to understand why that makes people nervous, you just want everyone to pretend you don't live your life by the guidance of an imaginary friend.
It's a fucking cult.
Maybe for now it's not dangerous, but very few are until they get a majority.
But I'm done here, you didn't arrive at your position based on logic, logic didn't get you to where you are today, it's not going to get you out of your cult.
You obviously have a very vague (and wrong) idea on how theology works.
Religious people do whatever the Bible tells them to do: "You're a mindless cultist!"
Religious people pick and choose what they believe: "You're a hypocrite!"
Meanwhile, non-religious people do the same things because both of those things are just simple human behavior, but they don't have self- awareness about it.
I know you're trying to say those first two lines ironically...
But yeah, that's right.
Maybe some day you'll see that, but logic won't help until you're ready.
You can't accurately criticize something you don't understand. The more you post, the more ignorant you seem. But by all means, wallow in it. I'm not going to join you.
Some people are proud of their ignorance, that's true of some religious people and some non-religious people.
Definitely. That's part of human nature, too.