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I haven't used PayPal in over 10 years. Why don't you just leave the service?
Because it’s convenient for paying online (one login instead of having to search my debit card and also, if I got scammed, there’d be another layer of protection for me) and it’s convenient for sending money to friends when we order pizza together or sth like that. What’s the alternative?
Bitcoin? Ether?
Really? Crypto? For one, I know almost no online shop that takes crypto, almost no person I’d send money to has crypto and I don’t want to own crypto either since it’s rather unstable…
This doesn't solve the adoption issue, but you can use "stable coins" like DAI that are pegged to the dollar.
Sounds like an addoption problem for you. The question asked what other alternative there is and cryptocurrencies solve the problem you stated there is no alternative to. Simple as that
They don’t. They could maybe. But I want an easy solution to transfer money to people and pay online. Crypto is not that solution because I cannot pay with it in most online shops and I cannot send money directly to other people. The money has to be exchanged to some arbitrary other currency.
Unless everybody used crypto as their main currency and everybody used the same cryptocurrency at that, it’ll always be an extra step, subject to fluctuations in exchange rate and possibly fees/taxes. As long as that’s not the case, it’s not an alternative. So yes, it’s an adoption problem but one that isn’t realistically solvable any time soon
Price Crypto at the one-year simple moving average, and the volatility stops. I personally use crypto all the time and make my budget using the one-year simple moving average and it completely eliminates the issue with the volatility because that average takes a very long time to move.
Cool, let's say your average per year is a value of 50?
Meanwhile in the real world; apple costs 1 in january and 100 in december.
But yeah bro that yearly average.
You crypto bros are like a cult.
Better than back when they were saying we'd all be paying for our groceries with Bitcoin in a few years. And every time I pointed out that I wanted my milk to be the same price today as it was yesterday and tomorrow, they got mad.
You have a nice day too.
Still, I don’t know any non-shady online shop that takes crypto.
Maybe for you, but there are large parts of the world that are relying on crypto such as the African region which for them has been a game changer as an alternative to their unstable currencies.
That is legitimately great. Doesn’t make it a good or even viable PayPal alternative for me, a European, though. Or even a viable alternative for the Euro.
Gratuitas.org sells premium grade coffee for Monero. You can also look at monerica.com. There are absolutely tons of legitimate businesses that accept crypto. Actually, when it comes right down to it, it makes a whole lot of sense to accept crypto because the transaction fees are so damn low that businesses save a ton of money over credit card transactions.
But why should I base my shopping habits around a currency/platform when I could just use one that almost everyone takes. When I want to order off a random online shop, I do not want to think about whether they’ll even take the money I have.
Fair enough, I'll be the first to admit that it takes work in order to use it. I'll give two reasons. One is a monetary, and one is not.
Reason 1: If we are right, and 15 years of data shows we at least have a point, then you would be an early adopter and very likely end up very wealthy.
Reason 2: You can buy anything from anyone, anywhere, in the world at any time without permission. And it's guaranteed to be irreversible in 20 minutes.
How is that a good thing? I want to be able to chargeback if I don't get what I ordered.
That's what multi-signature escrow is for. You deposit money into an account and you have one key. The vendor has one key and a third key is given to an arbitrator and at least two keys must sign the transaction in order for it to be completed. If the vendor sends you your product and you are happy with it, you sign the transaction and the vendor signs the transaction and the vendor gets the money. If the vendor does not send you what you ordered, you talk to the arbitrator and the arbitrator listens to your case and the vendor's case and makes a decision.
So it is speculative.
And should I feel the need to buy something from somewhere I need permission for, I will consider getting some crypto. Haven’t had a situation yet where cash didn’t suffice though.
I feel it's speculative something like electricity was speculative in the early days of electricity when people were doing it wrong and burning down their houses and people laughed at electricity like who would ever want that and now we can't really live without it. I will agree, cash is a bearer asset and untraceable and therefore is very good. The only real problem with cash is that it's based on the monetary policy of the governmyth that issues it. They make bad decisions and you suffer for it.
Edit: That and it's kind of hard to stuff cash bills into my computer and get them to come out on the other side halfway across the world.
Don’t get me wrong, crypto definitely has its uses. But other than national or international transactions that I‘d prefer to be untraceable, from a European perspective, it seems to be too unwieldy for day to day use. At least for the foreseeable future.
I use PayPal because it quicker and easier than grabbing cash from an ATM or to pay online. I use Apple Pay, because it’s quicker and easier than searching my wallet. Crypto would ad at least a step or two to any of those processes. It’s neither quicker nor easier.
And that's a totally legitimate viewpoint. I am using it and helping to smooth out the edges so that when you are ready to use it, you will be able to and have the experience that you expect to have. I am willing to put up with the rough edges and difficulties now in order to make your life easier in the future.
Fair. That’s partially why I use Linux while most people are still stuck with Microsoft.
But why would I use Linux when Windows comes pre-installed when I buy the computer and I don't have to use the command line? /s
I've been a Linux user since 2010 and wouldnt dream of using windows as a daily driver ever again. If you are capable of running Linux, you are more than capable of using crypto. Whether you choose to or not is your own decision, but you are capable of doing so.
Once Linux is up and running it’s up and running. If I want to use crypto I have to go out of my way to use it for every transaction. I switched to Linux once Windows got more annoying than Linux was.
Which just means we need to continue to simplify the interfaces for crypto. That way, when OP is locked out of their PayPal account, they will just decide to say fuck it. I will use crypto because it's easier than dealing with getting my PayPal account back. Make using crypto simple enough that people would ask themselves why take the risk in using the legacy financial system when my money could be confiscated at any time for any reason with no explanation required.
What? No it doesn't, you're just shifting the volatility from your pricing to your consumption.
And that's fine because you will always buy your requirements such as food, water, shelter, and transportation no matter what the price is. But you don't need that new Xbox right now. It keeps prices steady, which is what people expect from a currency. And the more people who do it this way, the lower the volatility will become because more people are using it.
The elasticity of demand is not static.