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Benedict Cumberbatch confirms he will begin filming "AVENGERS 5" next year. (www.youtube.com)
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"He's a gift in my life in many ways as a producer, as an actor [...] I'm very much looking forward to Avengers next year which is cooking up a storm."

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Are they going to have any build up of enthusiasm before Avengers 5, or just throw it out into the wild and see if anyone notices?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I genuinely don’t know what happened after end game. It went from a favorite summer experience to something I couldn’t care less about.

What a shocking mishandling of a valuable asset.

I can’t imagine even getting excited about Avenger’s 5, much less seeing it in theaters.

If you’d told me six years ago that I would write that sentence, I would have laughed at you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Same. After Endgame I just kind of fell out of the series. And I loved the MCU and every new release was a good day for me. But Disney saw the cash and flooded the marked with low effort media to milk their cash cow as much as they could

[–] Wrench 7 points 5 months ago

I mean, it kind of follows Marvel's own historic struggle with continuing stories past their natural conclusion.

The cinematic MCU had parallel stories of all these different hero plot lines that would intersect in interesting ways. That takes a lot of planning and building, all leading to a single nexus point where it all came together.

And it felt impactful. All the build up led to an epic intergalactic showdown. Twice.

Then afterwards, what are you left with? From an MCU standpoint, everyone goes back to their small little slice of the world/galaxy to do their thing, with some cameos of other heroes they befriended along the way.

To try to bring some level of stakes back, they spiraled down the multiverse paradigm. Just like the comics kind of struggled to make things interesting after the heroes finished their primary arc.

Add on top of that the real world issues of actor burnout on characters they've played for over a decade, and you're going to have trouble keeping up with expectations.

There are still things to do. But they've burned through the primary material like origin stories and top villian arcs, and the original actors have probably fulfilled their contracts and are probably not that interested in renewing.

[–] Sabin10 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Phase 4 alone is longer than phase 1,2 and 3 combined. They made it a chore to keep up with everything going on and even though I have enjoyed some of it, I really just don't care anymore. I still want to watch GOTG 3 but beyond that I have no interest in any of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

GotG 3 is worth watching. It's... something that they made. I mean it's good, but it doesn't leave any type of mark. Which is pretty crazy considering how much fun the first one was.

Chore is an excellent description. I was down for Loki and Wanda vision. But after that (and during Wanda) it's all 90's superhero movies quality. I watched the Falcon show, but I couldn't tell you what it was about or what if any impact it had at all on the rest of the franchise. Spider-Man is probably the only series that's enjoyable.

Pumping out a hundred projects a year was probably the worst thing they possiblly could have done. None of it connects together, which was the hype around the franchises. Multiple world ending events... happen? No one in their world cares afterwards. Why should we? Who did what? Couldn't tell ya, did any of it matter? No idea.

Daredevil should have been the type of focus they commeted to. Character building arcs on the personal scale that actually meant something. Then combine them to ... Ugh you know what? They already did that and it worked why do we need to tell them how to do the same exact thing again?

I'm ranting, I apologize. I have chicken wings to eat.

Edit: Also, the multiverse is a stupid boring idea that should have been one characters story arc and its consequences pop up here and there for those oh shit cool moments. Drenching every other movie in it is pointless.

Is Fargie even still in charge of the movie movies?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I feel similarly, but I'm not that upset.

It's not really reasonable to expect something to remain constantly great over and over.

Chances must be taken. Some stuff won't work. I think marvel films in the future will excite me, and I'm not that upset in the present when they don't.

Black panther 2 was pretty good, btw, and I'm hoping that Iron Heart might be the pivot we need.

A young, non-rich version of Iron Man sounds like a great recipe for getting back to basics.

[–] morphballganon 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for reminding me, I guess The Marvels came out at some point

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And it isn’t nearly as bad as people said it was. It’d probably help to watch Ms. Marvel and Wandavision beforehand if you care about the backstories of the main characters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I rather enjoyed it, but I don’t know how any of the recent films are going to come together to create an engaging Avengers film. There really hasn’t been a good unifying story that they have been building to. They keep throwing in references to future movies at the end of each film/show, but they all just seem to be hype for new characters that most people have to go to a screen junkies article to get an explanation for.

I don’t feel like Kang has been properly built up, because he has appeared several times already, posed little actual threat, and even got defeated one time by Ant-Man, who is essentially comic-relief in any ensemble affair. There’s also the casting issue.

I have seen every MCU film in cinema, and have enjoyed them all in their own way, despite the visceral glee the internet has in tearing them apart. But I don’t feel any excitement in hearing about Avengers 5. Because I don’t know what it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Kang also effectively got defeated by Loki in a TV show too, where that instance of him should have been the strongest (as the one who conquered the multiverse and wove it into a single reality/sacred timeline).

To be fair, Kang essentially let himself be killed because he believes/d that he's an inevitability of reality so in some sense immortal. But he still also lost. He was just taunting in death.

But now that the multiverse is back and being held together by Loki, all there should be left Kang-wise are the ones that weren't powerful enough to conquer the whole multiverse, so how are they supposed to be as threatening?

And again, all of this content was only in a spinoff show rather than hinted at and weaved through the movies.

I have no idea who greenlit that idea, or where they go from here to make it feel impactful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Kang imo had a great intro in Loki. Like you said he conquered the multiverse, but he was also the weakest version of himself. I think that weakness was the key. That should have kicked off multiple stories of Kang versions each being stronger than the last one, and then bam huge avengers level event with the most badass Kang.

How did they mess up something so simple?

[–] morphballganon 2 points 5 months ago

all there should be left Kang-wise are the ones that weren't powerful enough to conquer the whole multiverse, so how are they supposed to be as threatening?

Because Loki is busy now?