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I get why people are doubtful about Musk. I just wanna see YouTube's monopoly broken and streamers/entertainers get their due. I do not like how YouTube treats content creators. Maybe a competitive alternative is a good thing.
Twitter ran by musk is unlikely to be our savior
Any competition is good competition. If he offers competitive earnings to youtube, youtube is pressured to improve their product or pay for views.
I see someone was hypnotised by penguinz0
Srsly though end these hollow phrases.
Competition is not always good. Competition between wage labour drives down wages, competition between countries for capital drives down taxes for the rich. Half of all competition is a thing called "a race to the bottom"
WRT social media networks competition is first and foremost pretty dumb, there is no use for thousands of social networks with 10 users each. A single social medium that is participatory and has regulating mechanisms is way more beneficial (you're using one that tries to live up to that btw)
Whatever little good comes out of the competition between two asshole oligarchs is more than made up be them keeping dominance over peoples means of communication and their attention and selling every datapoint to
Honestly we have to reflect on the propaganda we're told in school and don't just repeat empty phrases.
Just a couple minutes ago I saw the phrase "where there is demand there will be supply" applied to pirates that crack games who are obviously not paid.
There is lots of demand without supply. Peoples starvation is not met by demand, but the demand for facelifts and botox will always be supplied. Bc supply is only created where capital is willing to pay for it
So you think video streaming services should be in a monopoly?
You think that will be the best for the consumer and content creators?
I disagree.
Isn't Youtube doing that already? I see way more ads nowadays than I used to, when I'm not using ublock origin (yay non-Android smart tv). Also blocking users with adblockers, etc.
So you think video streaming services should be in a monopoly?
You think that will be the best for the consumer and content creators?
I disagree.
Hey just fyi, you responded to the wrong comment :)
haha new to lemmy, thanks!
Given that Twitter's already relatively tiny user base is dwindling, the platform is now account-walled, and Musk is a notorious liar, I doubt any prominent creators are going to even consider cross-posting to Twitter.
A competitive alternative would be great, but Twitter isn't going to be it.
Yeah, definitely isn't going to be Twitter.
Musk is too stupid for that.
Twitter's MAU count is around 450 million active users. You're not going to find many bigger user bases.
Where did you get that number from? Best I’ve seen is ~350M and dropping. For reference, Pinterest is ~465M.
Twitter had an outsized impact but it’s not at FB or Insta or Youtube numbers, and it’s already struggling to keep working under the load of mostly text and static images.
Here’s one that puts it at 550mil MAU:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/
Is it as big as YouTube or Facebook or Instagram? No. It’s still one of the biggest user bases on the internet though.
Also how has twitter been struggling to keep working?
Interesting. Looking into the sources that Statista uses, you find this graph that paints a very different picture.
Did you not hear about all the limiting they had in place recently? 600 or 1000 posts viewable per day for non-paying users, 6000 for paying users. I know the official reason given was to (somehow) limit data scraping, but come on, we all know that's bullshit. And outside of that, there have been a bunch of issues with outages, basic things like search breaking, etc. It's a platform in decline.
That graph literally says "significant anomalies in source data", so they're even saying that it's not an accurate picture though.
Rate limiting isn't "struggling to keep working". It isn't like it was crashing due to people using it too much. Saying "we know their reason is bullshit" doesn't make it true. Nothing indicated that they were having trouble with uptime or performance.
Yes, it says there are anomalies—that doesn't mean it's wrong, just that it's unusual. Almost like there was a moron in charge of the company who was making erratic changes to its infrastructure and driving a mass exodus of users. And even if that number is wrong (it probably is) it's not like the previous number isn't heavily outdated. There have been massive changes to Twitter since then, it would be stupid to assume old data is still accurate.
It was crashing in part because Twitter was DDOSing itself. Twitter rate-limited itself on purpose because they were fucking their own system up, but they gave a BS reason because it would be embarrassing for Musk to have to admit he fired too many people and the skeleton crew that's left can't keep up with his stupid decisions.
Remember, this is a website that primarily serves short text-only posts and was largely stable when it was bought. It's not rocket science, and yet Musk's still managing to make it look hard.
I didn't say it means it's wrong, just that it's not going to be an accurate picture. It might be right, it might be wrong, we have no idea - which is why they put that qualifier there.
There's nothing indicating twitter isn't still largely stable.
Also that's not a DDOS since there was no denial of service. Those calls are likely all just getting stopped at a cloudflare (or alternative) level anyway.
There was no denial of service because they rate limited accounts. That’s the entire point. Had they not done that, it’s likely they would have overwhelmed their servers and crashed the service, resulting in denial of service.
But no one knows when that repeated call was added to twitter - it could have been there for years. Like I said, it also likely just gets caught by cloudflare etc when it's doing that, meaning it's not going to overwhelm anything.
You're saying that they did a release, realised it was going to DDOS itself, so then rate limited accounts in another release rather than simply roll back the broken release or fix the call? That doesn't make any sense.
They didn’t realise it was going to DDOS itself, it was in the process of hammering their servers and they rate limited accounts because they didn’t know what was happening. It was still making excessive calls when they were rate limiting.
It makes no sense because the things they’re doing aren’t the actions of a competent team with a knowledgeable tech lead.
I think I’ve made my point pretty clear by now. If you’d still like to believe they’re not useless, go for gold, but the facts doesn’t support that.
That’s 100% guessing based on nothing more than your wild speculation. You have no facts to support it.
I mean, neither do you. This is all speculation since it’s a private company run by a known liar.
I’m not the one making claims, you are. You’ve got nothing to support those claims.
As a developer myself I’m 99.9% sure what you’re claiming didn’t happen because it makes no sense from a dev standpoint.
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~~Twitter is not account-walled. Have you been keeping up with the news?~~
I just tried it. Twitter won't let me view pages without an account. What do you mean exactly?
@HKayn @HeavyDogFeet
It hasn't been making headlines this time (they're only talking about Threads and the jet tracker guy), but it's back to needing a login.
Oh, in that case I'm the one who hasn't been keeping up. Damn.
especially since the closest competitor rn is twitch which is an absolute shithole
As someone less familiar with twitch, what's making it a shithole?
Twitch takes 50% revenue. Youtube takes 30%. Twitch has an overly strict TOS to stay relatively kid-friendly. Twitch recently tried to limit content creators from showcasing sponsors in their own videos, but I think they backed away from that plan. Basically, it's at the fully enshittified stage at this point.
Apparently, there's a new twitch competitor, Kick, backed by an online gambling company, which I even worse. They have their content creators do gambling streams where the odds are modified to make it look like their games pay out more. And they explicitly promote bigots and fascists on their platform.
Twitch is overly hostile with its own subscriber base and doesn't pay nearly as much as YouTube. {Recent business decisions](https://digiday.com/marketing/how-twitch-lost-its-grip-on-and-way-with-the-streaming-community/) are really causing it to bleed streamers to other platforms, mostly YouTube.
~~elon musk purchased it and laid off a ton of staff over time, leading twitter to be very poorly moderated and also have many technical glitches after that~~
edit: oops I'm an idiot. I thought that said twitter.
Twitch is owned by Amazon, Twitter is owned by Musk.
Thanks. I misread that comment. I appreciate the clarification.
It would take a lot to beat YouTube though, and honestly I'm not sure it can be done given the extreme cost and general lack of revenue.
What fucking wild times we live in. This whole Elon vs Zuck thing about copyright. And how I see more people want Zuck to win. And now, we've got Musk trying to go after YouTube.
It's a mess.
I in no way want Musk to win. I just think the whole series of events is wild
Yup, Elon is such an ass that I'm cheering for Mark Zuckerberg of all people. What crazy times we live in
I never thought I'd see people rushing to and championing and saying how much they love a new Zuckerberg owned platform like they have with threads lol. Everyone's always saying they want facebook to die, and how they won't use anything with a facebook account, and so on...........and then bam, 100 million users in a few days lol
They got users by signing people up automatically.
Tired of hearing about Threads, Zuckerberg, and Elon, can we talk about something else on Lemmy or what.
It's just one of those things. It'd big news, so people will talk about it. It'll die down.
I feel like bezos should jump into this to increase the drama level.
Actually. What has he even done recently? Other than, ya know, bring part of THAT group. Isn't he just doing rockets or something? I haven't heard about him for a while.
The last two things I remember were him getting legally divorced and then popping champagne as William Shatner was trying to talk.
When people are rooting for the Zuck instead of for you, that's when you know that you've fucked up beyond any doubt.
Do the patreon and microtransactions models actually work for creators these days, are they good alternatives to yt?