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Seeing a lot of this lately... (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by realitista to c/comicstrips

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Pretty fucking relevant in this thread it seems.

[–] thesporkeffect 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

You know the US does this too, right?

But unironically also vote for Biden. I wish there was more acknowledgement that there has to be some way to pressure a candidate to earn votes, being much less bad isn't going to get the 50k low info swing voters that decide the election

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

You know the US does this too, right?

I'm not disagreeing.

[–] acetanilide 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but when we do it it's for the greater good. Not the same.

[–] thesporkeffect 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Impossible to determine if sarcasm or troll without tag

[–] acetanilide 6 points 5 months ago

Sarcasm actually

Also apologies for posting it twice, it wasn't that funny

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

glad they posted it twice so we can all play both sides, upvote one in case it's sarcasm, downvote the other in case of troll.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (11 children)

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a secret agent"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, not everyone that disagrees with me is a secret agent. A good chunk of them are. The rest are the idiots that believe and agree with them.

I'm still waiting for a good argument about how no voting or voting 3rd party gets better outcomes.

Maybe I'm the idiot for thinking there might be a good argument for it. Who knows?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The rest are the idiots that believe and agree with them.

Like any good conspiracy, it accounts for any possible contrary evidence one might encounter. If you find someone you disagree with irl, or someone online who doesn't seems like a secret agent, then it's simple - they're just people who have been manipulated by secret agents! The secret agents are still surrounding you and influencing every aspect of your life, regardless of silly things like "evidence" or "falsifiability." It's completely indistinguishable from a schizophrenic convinced they're surrounded by lizard people.

I’m still waiting for a good argument about how no voting or voting 3rd party gets better outcomes.

It's pretty simple. In a negotiation, having a credible threat of not cooperating gives you more bargaining power than if you show up like, "I will accept any deal you give me, I need this!" Voting is a negotiation. If politicians know that you'll vote for them no matter what you do, then they have no reason to listen to your concerns, whereas if you say, "I'll only vote for you if you do this, otherwise I'll vote third party" then they have an incentive to do the thing in order to earn your vote.

[–] Feathercrown 9 points 5 months ago (14 children)

This means you know that your actions will have a greater chance of getting Trump elected, which means you value [whatever policy change you're looking for] more than [the difference between Biden and Trump]

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

"I'll only vote for you if you do this, otherwise I'll vote third party" then they have an incentive to do the thing in order to earn your vote.

Don't they only have an incentive to do the thing if the third party you vote for instead has a chance to beat them? Which will never be the case unless we see voting reform.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (32 children)

Voting is a negotiation? Since when? Voting is a privilege that the ruling class can take away from us at any time if they think they can get away with it. Something kind of like what Trump did after the last election. I remember Jan 6th.

It's always been a choice between a shit cupcake and a poop cookie. The best thing you can do is minimize damages so you can keep trying to organize for 4 more years or at the very least, stay out of the camps.

Also, if you don't vote or vote 3rd party, they don't have to think or care about you anymore. Your not a vote they need to get, because your throwing your vote away. Its basic first past the post voting strategy. I don't like first past the post for this reason.

If you are bot, "foreign spy", or whatever, your post was good at muddying the water, keep it up, your master will be pleased. If your not, this argument was bad and unconvincing try again. Not even conservative voters are dumb enough to vote 3rd party.