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[โ€“] LupertEverett 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Based on what? You brought up stealing information like it's a bad thing, I pointed out that information shouldn't be legally restricted from use when it costs nothing to be used.

Artworks are not "information", and you surely can access em, viewing and downloading and all.

You are telling me that I am not allowed to recreate them, unless I use the exact same specific tool that the original artist used

The idea was to "use the tools artists are using" but you managed to reinterpret it as "you can only use the one single tool the artist uses". :V

I presume I'm also not allowed to take any art classes that the original artists wouldn't have been exposed to either right? Why can't I recreate the painting using chalk? Or ASCII art? Why do you get to decide how I can recreate it?

No one is saying thay you cannot recreate it, I'm just stating the matter of fact that you aren't recreating anything when you enter a prompt on a text box.

You want to be treated like an artist and not a thief? Put in the effort. It is simple as that.

Same as every Photoshop and After Effects tool based on algorithms right?

Or more precisely, what's different about being assisted by advanced computational photometry algorithms that you need a PhD to comprehend, and being assisted by advanced machine learning algorithms that you need a PhD to comprehend?

See above, entering prompt on a text box is NOT the same as using the tools given on a drawing/photo editing program.

Also there are lots of tutorials on how to use these so called "PhD requiring tools" out there lol. Once again, put in the effort.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Artworks are not "information", and you surely can access em, viewing and downloading and all.

Lmao, bro, how do you think that digital art got to your computer? Over the art super highway that we built seperate from the rest of the internet?

The idea was to "use the tools artists are using" but you managed to reinterpret it as "you can only use the one single tool the artist uses". :V

And what makes a large language model algorithm different from an advanced Photoshop algorithm?

Your restrictions are arbitrary and based on nothing.

No one is saying thay you cannot recreate it, I'm just stating the matter of fact that you aren't recreating anything when you enter a prompt on a text box.

Literally by the definition of the story being discussed, yes you are. You are recreating an or many artists' styles and using those to create a new image.

You want to be treated like an artist and not a thief? Put in the effort. It is simple as that.

...said every dumb old fart about musicians using computers to sample other songs

It turns out they were wrong and you can create new art from pieces of existing art.

See above, entering prompt on a text box is NOT the same as using the tools given on a drawing/photo editing program.

LMFAO bro, you can't just scream "I DECLARE THEYRE NOT THE SAME" like you're Michael Scott and expect it to be true. Name what makes using one algorithm different from the other, don't worry we'll wait.

Also there are lots of tutorials on how to use these so called "PhD requiring tools" out there lol. Once again, put in the effort.

I said it takes a PhD to understand the underlying algorithm, as in you and most people using those tools would never ever be able to come up with that algorithm on your own; as in, youre getting assistance from a highly advanced algorithm running on the most complex machines ever made, but you think that's fine and art, but using a slightly different algorithm is suddenly stealing and can't be art.

Again, your distinction is junk. People call you a luddite because you are one. You're railing against an algorithm like it's evil instead of just a new piece of technology that can be used for bad, or good.

[โ€“] LupertEverett 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seems like I've entertained you enough on that front. And thanks for confirming what I said literally at the beginning lmfao.

Get blocked, and get fucked.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

And this is how you create the kind of echo chamber that prevents you from being able to answer a simple question or engage in basic reasoning.