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Well, maybe instead of demanding a candidate to take a losing position and get literally nothing you support, you should work to, I don't know, make supporting genocide less popular in the electorate?
Nah, better to do everything you can to sink the less evil of the two candidates. The greater evil will be fine, I'm sure.
Biden is taking the losing position on genocide already.
Damn Genociden Biden© doin the damn Genocide™ in a country that he isn't the president of! International politics is a simple and uncomplicated thing and Genociden Biden© could surely stop the Genocide™ by asking Netanyahu nicely to be nice. Netanyahu already said they'd pull out of Gaza if he got a nicely worded letter, why doesn't Genociden Biden© just do it?
Idk why you all keep walking into the accusations right on the top line in the memes
Nothing is forcing him to sell your single favorite person weapons for your single favorite activity.
Noting is forcing his administration to go to bat for Netantahu at the UN.
Stop pretending he's powerless just because you're happy that he's using what power he has to enable genocide.
Lol what a stupid comment.
Stop pretending you understand how foreign policy and appropriations work, you clearly have no idea.
You can't defend Biden's support for genocide, so you employ gaslighting and abuse instead.
You seem to think the genocide started right after October 7th so you make vapid comments about Biden supporting genocide and use it to justify aggressively working to get Trump elected president.
Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard, that every American president since Israel became a country has supported the genocide of Palestinians (including your boy Trump) and your lack of understanding around the issues you make inane comments trying to make paint Joe Biden as a omnipotent dictator that has unlimited power to control every other country on earth. I also find it interesting you spend a lot of time trying to suppress the vote for Biden in order to get Trump elected because you care oh so much about genocide, but you never use your soap box for divestment from China to stop the genocide of the Uyghurs. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.
You also don't seem to understand what gaslighting is, which I guess is another trendy buzz word your picked up and decided to work into your vocabulary.
Genocide supporters interpret all opposition to their single favorite activity to be support for Trump.
And more gaslighting. "We have to support genocide like I want because it's too complicated for you to understand. It's not unconscionable. It's advanced."
"That's the way we've always done it" is a shitty excuse for supporting genocide. And I would like you to provide a source for Jimmy Carter supporting the genocide of Palestinians.
I didn't say that. I said he's supporting genocide. I already explained what he can do to stop supporting genocide. It was such blasphemy to you that you launched into what I correctly identified as gaslighting and abuse.
We're not selling Xi weapons for genocide, nor are we running interference for him at the UN. I think we should divest from China and should be more outspoken regarding their long history of human rights abuses. But this thread is about the genocide in Gaza. Take your whataboutism elsewhere.
Ooh. Recursion.
I don't think the neocolonialism or the genocide parts of it are hard, and I think most people would agree I'm not that smart
TIL actively supporting a genocide is a winning position for democrats.
Do I have to explain to you how democracy works?
Don't waste your time feeding this POS troll. Block and move on.
You might have to explain the popularity of genocide
"Most Americans don't pay close attention to foreign affairs and some 50 years of steady pro-Israel propaganda funded by the Israeli state has entrenched views to the point where the past ~20 years of intensified genocide barely raised a blink in the general population; the current propagandized pro-Israel depiction of the genocide, relying on the atrocities of October 7th, still holds sway in a large percentage of the electorate, as well as the notion of Israel as the 'only democracy in the Middle East'."
Would you like me to chew that sentence up and spit it in your mouth, or is that simplified enough for you to understand as-is?
Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn't understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them.
Oh, okay, so the overwhelming support for Israel's genocide these past 20+ years is just, what?
Please, tell me what the previous support for Israel's genocide was. I'm interested in hearing what exactly you think it was, if not looking at a genocide and not recognizing it.
Bi-partisan American propaganda.
So... the electorate looked at a genocide and didn't recognize it for what it is. Great, glad you agree. Or is it "Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn’t understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them."?
Oh, as a reminder, this is the statement of mine you initially accused me of having contempt for democratic voters with; please spot the difference between your claims of propaganda and mine:
So, you think democratic politicians have been showing the electorate a genocide? You think they've been making any case for it?
Ah, I see, you only believe that the electorate can see what their candidates show them. Very interesting and aristocratic outlook on how democracy is supposed to function. I guess we must have just been blessed with magic eyes, or something.
Do you really not think politicians have any power to present evidence to support their positions?
Do you really not think voters have any power to see very prominent international issues other than in the narrow frame that a small number of candidates depict them in?
vs.
Which is it? the electorate is powerless to propaganda or well-informed by a diversity of information?
Having the POWER to see something and seeing it are two different things. Having the POWER to be informed and being informed are two different things. So, now that that extremely basic principle is hopefully cleared up, and I don't have to chew it up any more for baby bird here to swallow it, we can return to:
I believe the american government chooses what narrative they want presented in public media. The fact that the american electorate didn't see the genocide for the last 20 years is a direct result of 20 years of political propaganda presented by both parties, because israel as a neocolonial project is worth more to them than the lives and sovereignty of palestinians.
I believe Biden continues this position despite the fact that foreign-owned and decentralized media platforms have broken through the wall of propaganda and has swayed public opinion against Israel. I believe Biden continues to be complicit in attempting to propagandize the American Electorate and I believe this is very much within his power to stop.
I believe Biden will lose to trump, both because of this gross miscalculation and that it has become apparent that it is just a political calculation to him.
And I believe you will have no one to blame for a trump presidency other than liberals like yourself who affirm the genocide is happening but deny responsibility in the same breath.
Fucking lol.
Anything but the electorate accepting responsibility, I see.
LMAO anything but the FUCKING PRESIDENT accepting responsibility, i see
Didn't we already agree that the president has his own moral responsibilities to answer to?
I'm glad that you've gone fully mask off, that projection about showing contempt for the voters was pretty weak. Now that you've admitted that you think that the electorate just follows what THE STATE shows them and that you have an incredible contempt for them that would bring a joyous tear to a fascist's eye, you can be your genuine, worst self without having to lie about it anymore. :)
I just have incredible contempt for liberals who believe their atrocities are justified because the electorate has just magically been ill-informed on them through no fault of the government, and especially not their side of the government.
It's hilarious how quickly you changed from "SO YOU THINK THE ELECTORATE CAN'T SEE A GENOCIDE?? DO YOU THINK THEY'RE IDIOTS" to "Of COURSE the electorate can't see the genocide, the little idiots!"
And you wonder why you lot get called out as the fascists you are. Enjoy your doublethink. We're done here.
Twig and plumbs.
The electorate were starting to be shown it, but not by politicians.
Which is why Congress unified and moved so quickly on TikTok.
Who's actively supporting genocide?
Probably the guy arming and funding it.
"No, this is Patrick!"