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[–] givesomefucks -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children)

President Joe Biden previously endorsed the border provisions, and while Trump and other Republicans have called it too weak, the bill would have marked a tough change to immigration law and would have given the president far-reaching powers to restrict illegal migrant crossings at the southern border.

The White House and top Democrats have discussed taking more action on the border ahead of the first presidential debate next month, CNN previously reported. Those plans, intended to strengthen the party’s hand on a critical campaign issue ahead of the 2024 election, also potentially include a sweeping executive order limiting migrants’ ability to seek asylum, sources have told CNN.

Biden's getting protested by his own party for acting too much like Republicans...

So now Dems are going to act even more like Republicans? We can't address real problems, but we're working with republicans on "border security"?

If Dem voters always "vote blue no matter who" then the party is going to keep moving right under the misguided idea that trump voters will vote for Biden.

I truly wish it didn't take abstaining from the vote to get the message across, I don't even know if that will work honestly. But it's clear they don't give a fuck about protests when they're in power to do something.

I've watched the party pull to the right for 30 years now. Shutting up and voting for the lesser of two evils isn't sustainable long term. The party needs to move back to the left, but they never will if we keep blindly voting for Dems that agree with Republicans on this stupid shit.

[–] tux 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There's a lot of issues with our shitty 2 party system. No doubt.

But I think you (and a lot of folks on lemmy) are vastly over estimating how liberal most Americans are. The country as a whole is fairly moderate (and compared to the international world, pretty conservative), and when both parties allow themselves to be controlled by the fringe edges (right or left), most Americans will lean away from the party unless they're a brainwashed group of idiots without the ability to critically think... And those type of folks already have their orange champion.

Abstaining from voting is only going to help one group of people, and unless you enjoyed Jan 6th, that isn't ok. I agree whole heartedly that this situation sucks. We've got a wanna be dictator with a real shot at the presidency and our only other choice is Joe Biden.

But there's only been one president in the history of the country that has promoted and pushed for an overthrow of democracy, I'd vote for anyone running against him to prevent that shit from happening again. Meanwhile I'm voting for any representative and senator or local politicians who work towards a ranked voting solution. But if you abstain then you're helping Trump get elected, you're absolutely stupid if you think the 2 are the same, Biden is not my ideal candidate by any means, but at least he isn't actively trying to destroy our country or literally offering to sell our future to big oil.

[–] billiam0202 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Most Americans aren't that conservative, they've just been conditioned to vote by party. If you break them out individually, many liberal and even progressive issues are supported by a majority of Americans. However the second you lump them together and call that the "Democratic Party Platform" you get a knee-jerk reaction against it.

[–] tux 1 points 3 months ago

Agreed, specific issues a lot of people lean all over the place and I think more people are realizing we need social programs.

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