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I want to build a linux PC for digial audio and home network storage.

I plan to use a microphone to record acoustic instruments, so being quiet is a priority. Also, my usb audio interface and usb MIDI devices should be plugged in directly, no using a hub, so a lot of usb ports is another requirement. I'm not clear on whether my devices take advantage of usb3 speeds, but I think I'd better make sure I have more usb3 ports to use that speed if it's available.

Besides that I'd like to run a storage server for my home network. I'm not sure if this is a good idea on the same box I want to record on, but usage should be pretty light and I don't want to build a whole other device for this.

I have an older graphics card already, so I don't need that. I'd like to have a slot available in case I decide to get into experimenting with AI, but that's not in my budget for now.

I'd like to keep this under $1K. What parts should I get? It'd be extra helpful to put together a list in Micro Center's PC builder, since that's where I'm tentatively planning to pick up all my parts.

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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by salieri to c/buildapc
 
 

Hi all!

I’ve recently bought new components for my pc but i miss calculated what would fit in my current case (by about one or two millimeters). I have the arctix liquid freezer iii 280 which doesn’t fit in my current corsair crystal 570x. The problem was that the ram didn’t fit on the mb because it hit the fans below the radiator (top mounted).

I’ve looked into the fractal cases and the torrent seems the best bet but it also looks like it was designed for air cooling and putting the 280 radiator in the front defeats the purpose. I’ve also considered the North XL but im unsure if everything will fit with the top mount. I’m looking at Fractal cause i saw good reviews from GN but i’m open to everything!! (If it has a white variant even better:))

I previously researched and thought everything would fit so i kinda lost some faith in myself regarding this.

Any suggestions are welcome,

Thank you so muuch!!

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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by iliketurtles to c/buildapc
 
 

I've got $90 to blow. I'm basically rich now. What should I upgrade? Uses are software development, vms, jellyfin, nas, local llms and occasional gaming. I haven't had issues with the psu but I'm thinking a name brand gold rated psu could be good. Otherwise 32gb more of ram?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor $264.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler $33.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $104.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory $81.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $74.99 @ Adorama
Storage Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $74.99 @ Adorama
Storage Western Digital Blue 8 TB 3.5" 5640 RPM Internal Hard Drive $129.99 @ B&H
Storage Seagate Desktop HDD 4 TB 3.5" 5900 RPM Internal Hard Drive -
Storage Seagate Desktop HDD 4 TB 3.5" 5900 RPM Internal Hard Drive -
Video Card AMD 100-438378 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card -
Power Supply PowerSpec PS 750BSM 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $73.98 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $839.82
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-11 10:46 EDT-0400
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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/buildapc
 
 

I needed a PC to test a PCIe card recently, so I put something together with some spare parts. The only PSU I had around was a corsair CX750M I took from a prebuild from about 2014-2015, one with the green labels. Searching around the internet I see loads of people saying not to buy them, but what about one I already have? How bad really it is? Will it fry my motherboard or burn my house down? Or is it just inefficient?

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And can they easily be replaced?

I'm not looking, just pondering and wondering about Framework.

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Hey Lemmy, I need some recommendations for a CPU-intensive slightly mobile rig. I run a lot of engineering simulations and I need a computer that I can move between my home and work on a semi-frequent basis. I'm looking for something more powerful than a laptop and I'll have monitors/peripherals at both locations. Maybe a mini-ITX in an HTPC style case? The sims don't really make use of GPU, so integrated graphics is just fine. They multi-thread a bit, but there are still single-core bottlenecks in the process, so highest single-core performance is probably pretty important. It's also got to handle 128GB of DDR5 and a M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.

A lot of the faster CPUs seem to need some serious cooling (100W+ TDP!) and I'd rather not have a jet engine roaring constantly since this thing will be sitting right on the desk next to me eating 100% CPU most of the time. Are there small form factor cases that can support water cooling? When Intel says a CPU has a processor base power of 125W, but a Max Turbo Power of 253W, does that imply that the 253W can't be sustained even with enough cooling?

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My PC is getting on a little, it's running on an i7-4790k, 16gb ddr4, and a GTX 970. right now, it's struggling some in most games even though I don't play any triple A titles. What would be a sensible upgrade that wouldn't get totally bottlenecked by the CPU?

In most games I'm playing the CPU is pinned at around 25% while my card is maxed at 100% 3d and vmem usage so I'm fairly sure it's just my card that's the main limiting factor.

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Laptop battery recently died, and I'm planning a new PC build anyway, so I'm wondering: can I just remove the HDD from my laptop and connect it to the motherboard? Would I need any extra parts or hardware? I'm guessing no, but it's hard to research on my phone. Any guidance is appreciated :) thanks!

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Please let me know if there's a better place to seek information /answers.

I'm planning on finally jumping away from Windows altogether and I've needed to build a new PC for awhile so I've put together a potential Linux build here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fhYvQP

I'm planning on running Nobara and using this as a daily driver with a focus on gaming and some future proofing for down the road as well.

I'm mainly curious if there's any glaring issues (besides updating the mobo) with the build, and if there's any more efficient parts I've overlooked. The storage are just placeholders for drives I already have. I was kinda aiming for a budget build ish, but future proofing bumped it up a bit.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fhYvQP

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($391.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($199.00 @ MSI)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($106.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 309 Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($114.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 - V2 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($95.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1542.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-03 21:12 EDT-0400

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anyone here has those? i'm kinda budget constrained, i need a quiet sfx psu, heard lian li one are kinda loud

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SSD for Old Laptop (self.buildapc)
submitted 8 months ago by slingstone to c/buildapc
 
 

I'm looking to replace the HDD on an HP Pavilion dv 6 6130-us. It has an i-3 2330M CPU. I know it's old as dirt, but I'd like to use it to run old games. It's also the only thing I own with a CD drive.

I've upgraded the RAM to the maximum it will support (16 GB). I'm thinking an SSD will help it run a great deal faster, but I'm stuck on what to get. So far, the Crucial MX500 seems like a good choice, but I'm wondering if any semi-reliable cheap SSD will do for something this old. I have to stick with something with a 2.5 inch form factor that uses SATA. Thoughts?

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Recently I tried to clean my PC with an I5 11400F CPU. I removed the GPU and wanted to remove the CPU cooler too but couldn't do it. I tried though and I think I might have damaged the motherboard with a screwdriver in a few places during the process (don't ask how). Can it be the reason for the spikes? Like could I damage some sensors and now they sometimes fail and show 0°C (which is what 100°C to TjMAX means)? There are no other visible issues with the PC though so I guess it can be a just a bug. Btw I can't add screenshots because of some weird Jerboa bug

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Anybody familiar with quadro cards?

I'm currently running an old Titan X for monitor display only and an RTX 3090 for computing/rendering.

If I run any monitors off of my 3090, I eventually get a BSOD when running renders or AI models. I think it's a driver issue due to being forced to use the driver for the old Titan card.

So I'm looking to get a quadro card for my 5 displays, a mixture of display port, dvi, and hdmi.

Anybody got any affordable recommendations? It will need to have at least enough processing power to run my viewports in 3dsmax and blender.

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/buildapc
 
 

I'm not building a PC at the moment, but this drove me nuts last time I got a laptop, and I've been wondering if anyone else has ideas along these lines.

I'd like to have a laptop that:

  • Has a 100 Wh battery (100 Wh being the largest allowed on airplanes, so generally the limit on what one can get). I don't mind the weight or the cost, but recently it's been increasingly-difficult to find 100 Wh laptops. The laptops that do tend to be heavy power consumers; they're aimed not at providing a long battery life, but managing to keep a gaming laptop running for a short period of time.

  • I'd very much like to have a Thinkpad-style trackpad, with three mechanical buttons. I don't care about the "nipple mouse" on Thinkpads. Synaptics makes these, but laptops with them are quite difficult to find these days.

  • Is as upgradable as possible. I'd rather not pay an exorbitant amount to have a large amount of memory and NVMe on the thing.

  • I don't really care about heavy weight or large size (at least within the kind of weight classes that laptops have).

  • I would like to have a centered keyboard, though, if the laptop is large. I don't use a numeric keypad (I have an external USB one that I can use for the very rare times that I want to use something where it's actually useful), and many larger laptops (which often have larger batteries) de-center the keyboard and stick a numeric keypad on the side.

  • I generally favor vertical screen space (i.e. for reading documents and webpages rather than watching movies). 16:10 ratio is preferable to 16:9, and I'd take more-vertical ratios if they were available.

  • It'd be nice to have so much lower bezel below the monitor that I could lie down and use the thing on my chest without my hands obstructing the view of the screen.

  • I'd use Linux on it. At least with major vendors, compatibility isn't really an issue these days, but it's something that I do keep in mind.

  • It's not vital that I have discrete video hardware, but if I do, I'd rather go with AMD hardware rather than NVIDIA, as AMD is more Linux-friendly.

  • I'd slightly-favor not getting something out of China, though that's not a must-have.

  • Having a fair number of USB C ports -- which I expect to use more of moving forward -- is nice, as is rapid charging.

  • I'd rather not have "gamer-style" aesthetics with LEDs and a ton of decorative plastic molding all over the thing.

  • I can live with an unimpressive integrated camera, though I do use the thing occasionally.

  • I don't mind doing some work on this, like spodging open a laptop to upgrade non-soldered memory and NMVe, but I don't really want to go to the degree of 3d-printing a laptop case or something like that myself.

  • I'd be willing to get a thicker laptop.

  • I'd slightly favor having fan vents on the side rather than bottom, so that if I put the laptop on my chest, I'm not blocking said vents. That being said, that's a hard ask these days with thin laptops and wanting to have a fair number of ports on the side.

  • I'd like to have a wired Ethernet port, but I can live without it; a USB adapter would be okay.

  • I'm not rabid about display brightness, but I've generally found that Thinkpads have a weak-enough backlight that it can be annoying, even at maximum power. OLED would be nice.

  • I don't mind paying somewhat-more for a laptop like that, but I'd prefer to not go more than several hundred extra, not several thousand.

Some things that I've looked at that hit at least some of these:

  • Thinkpad T-series. This is what I'm using now; I've used and been relatively-happy with Thinkpads in the past. I'm generally happy with the aesthetics. It ticks the "Synaptics trackpad" box. Lenovo has no option for a large battery (my T14 has a 57 Wh battery) (whereas Thinkpads used to have available externally-accessible batteries that would extend beyond the bounds of the case; some even had a smaller backup internal battery and let a user hot-swap the larger batteries). At least on the T-series laptop I have, the components are not soldered and I had no problems spodging the thing open and upgrading them. Charging speed is okay, but isn't mind-blowing. Bottom air vents. It's out of China these days. Has a decent amount of bottom bezel, but not enough that I can lie down without my hands obstructing the screen. In general, I'd rather have a heavier/thicker laptop with a longer battery life than is the case for these today.

  • Framework laptop. These are one of the few laptops that permit one to increase the number of USB C ports. They also have the option to get a large laptop with a centered keyboard. They don't provide an option to have a user-replaceable trackpad, unfortunately, so no Synaptics trackpad, and they don't provide another option for mechanical trackpad buttons. These only go up to 61 Wh battery. They specifically target working out-of-box with the base Linux kernel, no third-party drivers.

  • Tuxedo Computers's InfinityBook. These guys make a 14-inch-display laptop with a 99 Wh battery, which is an uncommon combination. No three mechanical trackpad buttons, no AMD video. They don't extort one on hardware upgrades, though they do have a relatively-high base price. Good Linux support, as they ship with various Linux distros.

Any laptop can have the battery situation mitigated by hauling around a USB-C powerstation, which is what I do today and I suspect why laptop manufacturers are willing to scrimp on internal battery. Maybe I could set up something to disable charging unless the internal battery is low if a power station is connected...not sure if it's possible to detect that, whether there are power stations that also communicate with the host. But I'd rather have a larger internal battery.

To solve the "hands obstructing screen when using laptop when lying down" issue, I did try picking up a head-mounted display, a used Royole Moon. This was not satisfactory; it took a lot of twitchy setup for each use, I found that it tended to fog up, it placed what I found to be uncomfortable pressure on one's nose, and I found that if the screen wasn't exactly right, parts of the display would appear to be out-of-focus. It also completely cuts one off from the world, which is fine for some of my use, though not a solution all the time. I don't think that head-mounted displays are really a replacement for traditional monitors yet.

  • Don't use a laptop at all, and just use a luggable PC, maybe in a backpack or suitcase, microATX or mini-ITX with some kind of power station. External portable monitor. This opens up an enormous number of options; I can use any USB trackpad (or even other input device) and keyboard. My battery problems go away, because I can choose the size and charging speed of the powerstation backing it, could have hundreds of watt-hours. I don't need to worry about blocking the vents. Graphics options -- lots of portable OLED monitors -- and upgrading the thing are good. The option is available to put the display on a stand in front of the keyboard if I'm using it with it sitting on my chest when lying down, which probably isn't going to be an option with a laptop. However, there are also a number of downsides; it means that the components probably aren't as focused on low power usage or dealing well with hibernation unless I want to do the investigation work that laptop vendors already will have. Less-portable and has more setup time; one probably wants to put at least a USB hub, portable monitor, keyboard, trackpad/trackball, and maybe WiFi receiver on the table/desk when being used. No "lid switch" to auto-suspend, though I expect that I can rig something up to do that or just reconfigure the power button, if all else fails. Powerstations don't normally have a way to report remaining battery charge (though some UPSes do over USB, it's not treated as a "battery"), which is unfortunate, as one doesn't get things like a "time remaining" estimate onscreen.

Anyone else been in a similar situation and wanted something along those lines, has had ideas or done research?

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I'm building a PC for my wife to do photo editing / retouching / other 2d/non moving stuff. I'm aware that this kind of software does benefit from GPU acceleration, but I'm also under impression that it's not critical. One additional constraint is that it should fit into teenage engineering's computer-1 case, because orange. I'm personally having a preference for AMD stuff, but I could be talked out of it. Two similarly priced options I had in mind were:

  • Ryzen 5600 / 16G ram / radeon 6600 GPU
  • Ryzen 8600G / 32G ram / no gpu

Thoughts / suggestions?

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by rombert to c/buildapc
 
 

Hi

I have a small headless PC that's been running as a server for some time. Specs below

Component Details Details
Motherboard AsRock B450 Gaming-ITX/ac https://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/fatal1ty%20b450%20gaming-itxac/index.asp
RAM 2 x Samsung M391A2K43BB1-CTD https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/ecc-udimm-ecc-sodimm/m391a2k43bb1-ctd/
GPU MSI GeForce GT 730 2 GB https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/N730-2GD3V2/Specification
Case Fractal Node 304 https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/node/node-304/white/
Boot SSD Kingston A2000 250 GB, M.2 2280 https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/A2000M_prelim_us.pdf
PSU Seasonic Focus GX 550 W https://seasonic.com/focus-gx

I purchased a Ryzen 5 4560G CPU, as they have an integrated GPU and work with ECC RAM, so that I can free up my GPU for other tasks.

Unfortunately, after replacing the CPU the build fails to boot:

  • all fans spin up
  • no video signal (tried both iGPU and dGPU )
  • restarts after 20-30 seconds

I did two attempts to install the CPU, after the first one I realised that I forgot to upgrade the BIOS to at least version 4.40 ( https://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/fatal1ty%20b450%20gaming-itxac/index.asp#CPU ) , I was running 3.X . I reinstalled the old CPU, upgraded the BIOS to version 4.60 and installed the new CPU again. This failed again.

I am now runing with the old CPU, but I am out of ideas about what to try, assuming the new CPU is working as expected.

Does anyone have any suggestions I can try? I did not try to randomly reseat things as the build is pretty cramped.

Thanks!


Update: I managed to get this to work successfully. I reset the BIOS to defaults (did not short pin, just used the UEFI interface ) and reseated the RAM again (although I am not sure that did anything, never had problems with the RAM ).

One interesting tidbit is that the first time I booted I was greeted by a POST message along the lines of

New CPU installed, fTPT/PSP NV corrupted or fTPT/PSP BV structure changed

Press Y to reset fTPM, if you have BitLocker or encryption enabled, the system will not boot without a recovery key

Press N to keep previous fTPM record and continue system boot, fTPM will NOT enable in new CPY, you can swap back to the old CPY to recover TPM related Keys and data.

I pressed Y and I was able to boot with the new CPU. Something that is still not working is switching the boot GPU to the integrated one, but I'll keep digging. Thanks for all the help!

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Keeponstalin to c/buildapc
 
 

My first attempt at a gaming PC build. Aiming for a $1000 budget. Does anyone have recommendations on how to improve or save cost? Thanks!

Update: with the Newegg bundle deals, I was able to get a 7600x and a gigabyte B650 Eagle AX with a free Team Group MP33 M.2 2280 1TB X3 NVME. Dropped the 2TB. Swapped with a Montub AIR 309 MAX case and XFX Speedster SWFT 6800 and got the price to $1050

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $213.90 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler $33.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard $144.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory $91.99 @ Newegg
Storage Silicon Power UD85 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $107.99 @ Amazon
Video Card XFX Speedster QICK 319 Core Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB Video Card $339.99 @ Newegg
Case Montech AIR 100 ARGB MicroATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $89.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1082.74
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-18 16:00 EDT-0400
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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/buildapc
 
 

My husband recently upgraded to an AM4 platform. His issue is that there is no display. The gpu fans look like they are trying to start, but cannot. Additionally, there is no POST sound and the power button, while able to turn on the pc, will not turn it off. The lights on the motherboard work, as do the cpu fans and case fans.

I told him i think its a short, but he says the case has preinstalled standoffs. My other suspicion is a bad PCI-E port. It is a used motherboard.

Specs: Processor: Ryzen 1700 Motherboard: B350M Gaming Pro MSI RAM: DDR4 XPG Adata GPU: GTX 1060 6gb Also tried: Radeon R7 250

Thanks in advanced!

Edit: Oh wow so many posts! I'll try various solutions and keep you all updated on what work.

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by berryjam to c/buildapc
 
 

Hi, I am looking to build my first PC. It will be for general use (web browsing, programming, office work; no gaming).

Here is my part list: PCPartPicker

I based it on the Logical Increments minimum tier. I will be using Arch Linux for the OS.

Some questions...

  1. How painful is it to update the motherboard BIOS?
  2. Am I missing anything obvious? I'm unsure if I need a sound card, for example. Newegg says this motherboard has a wifi and bluetooth module. Is there anything else I should consider getting?
  3. Is there a way to check if any of the parts will not work/be incompatible with my chosen OS? I've never had a problem with Linux drivers on any of my laptops, so I'm fairly confident it will be fine, but I still want to make sure.

Thanks :)

Edit: ~~I made an updated list based on your suggestions~~ New updated link

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SFFPC for couch gaming (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/buildapc
 
 

Okay I'm planning to build a sffpc for couch gaming. I'm building around the a1p case. But it was ages since my last build so I wanted to get some input for the build. I don't really know which games I will be playing but I want to be able to run new and old ones 😁

Would really appreciate thoughts and tips!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FLzBdH

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Proposed build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tQzrfy

Looking to build something to target 1440p, would prefer to stay AM5 for future upgrades. Have gone micro ATX because of space constraints. Only really tied to the CPU/GPU combo, so if I’ve missed the mark on case, mobo, etc I’m open to suggestions. My big question is picking a suitable 1440p monitor, would like to keep it under $250 and not sure which direction to go.

Appreciate thoughts and advice in advance.

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crossposted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/12970663

Hi

I own rx6600 since more than a year and what seems odd it's a bit loud, even with fan curves like this the fans spin up to the almost 2kRPM and hot spot temp is near 95°C:

and it's not like my case isn't well ventilated, i have 2 Arctic P12s blowing cold air from outside of the case directly at it, playing with fancontrol and hooking my case fans speed to the GPU temp lowers it quite a bit (barely above 90°C and 1800RPM) but it's still a bit more than I like and it prevents me from raising my power limit to 120W, then the card is whining at almost 3kRPM

Is my sample defective? its XFX variant, mainly 210 SWFT with two fans? i heard a lot about botched heating installation in GPUs, insufficient paste amount etc, could this be it?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YBpXN6

I'll be using it mostly for gaming, possibly self-hosting various things as I think about them. I'd like it to be mildly future-proof, but I'd also like to cut the price down a bit. Right now it's going to cost basically my whole tax refund, and if possible, I'd like to save some of it to further my education.

I'll be using Linux (don't know what distro yet, but that's another post for another /c/), hence the all-AMD build.

Thanks in advance!

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