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By moving to a better place? That's what I did.

Also, you seem to be confused about what a red herring is.

Do enlighten me.

PIA for it’s price

PIA for its* price

You're welcome.

You'll find many variations of it if you search for that phrase on the internet.

But at this point, eh, it's not as fitting as I thought it would be.

There are only so many ways “I don’t care if Hitler is active in my community as long as he doesn’t talk about the gassing in my discord” can be interpreted

That's exactly what he is saying. I don't agree with it, but if you read his stuff, you can tell that it's pedantry rather than hate what makes him say that.

and “I just want to code” is not one of them.

That's your opinion, and we're going in circles.

For starters, the practical issues of moderation and whether he wants to do it are never relevant to his argument throughout the blog post.

But they are, though.

He’s saying that “we should not care about people’s political views on a community unrelated to politics, as long as they do not use it to spread their agenda”. The words “we”, “should”, and “care” are pretty clear. This is a moral statement.

Moral or pragmatic, sure, whatever you say. But the base is not standing on hate. Just... Apathetic practicality? Laziness?

There are many more quotes that make it clear he is not talking about moderating his own community. His point about Hitler is clearly used to demonstrate his thoughts on how communities in general should be run, and why FOSS communities are getting it wrong.

We don't disagree here. But so what? You could also say "fascist shouldn't exist," and someone somewhere will say that you're condoning genocide.

Bonus points for explicitly listing LGBT issues as a topic one might disagree with.

You're not saying anything we haven't discussed already - we've the term transphobia several times already.

It’s all unambiguous. Vaxry is at no point talking about the practicalities of keeping Hitler out of his community. He is explaining why he thinks Hitler should be welcome into his community and the FOSS community in general, just as long as he doesn’t use these communities to further his goal of gassing people.

Exactly. We're going in circles here. You're attributing malice to this sentence. You're saying that he is secretly saying "hurr hurr I am a nazi and this is how I get away with it." He isn't. I don't like it, I fucking hate nazis. But I don't think he is one. He's probably autistic before being a nazi.

If there was ever any confusion over whether Vaxry doesn’t care about the toxicity or just can’t deal with it, this blog post definitely clears it up. He doesn’t care. He’s welcoming evil and harmful people in his community and in all communities and he takes a stance against the people who have an issue with this.

Correct. More of the same.

Your interpretation doesn’t work unless you ignore all the words he uses, the logic of his arguments, and even the fucking title.

It does work.

The only thing I’ve seen him say on the incident of harassing a trans person by editing their profile to change their pronouns is that it was “unprofessional”.

Because it was unprofessional from his point of view. He's not secretly and deliberately condoning transphobia.

Ah yes, seeking people to harm because of their race and innate characteristics and banning people from your platform because of their morals and behavior. Equally bad things. I see the rights and wrongs of both sides now.

Again, we don't disagree. I should have that phrase stored somewhere, ready to be pasted when discussing with you.

Look, show me a picture of him doing the nazi salute or protesting a pride parade, and we'll talk.

Otherwise, I stand by what I said. The dude is a dense moron. Not evil.

Everyone can be self centered at the same time. Not sure why you think that wouldn’t be possible.

I guess you're right.

It hard to see why you expect that the “Admins” would be able to prevent anything they don’t prefer so casually.

Well, think harder. They're admins, not peasants.

It would be nice if the software allowed for many more things but it is limited, development is slow, and prioritizes what they get funding to work on.

That's a red-herring.

If you look at the issues list, you’ll see that there are many desired changes, so the current release is not how the developers intend it to function.

But then, this is a good idea, and I'll do this.

If I were an admin a lemmy instance, I would not consider it fair game to downvote a post on a community that you’re not subscribed to.

But then, there would be admins who would be okay with it. As long as the platform allows it, it's fair game. Unless admins use a workaround, like banning the users who do this - but they're not doing this either, are they?

The only one complaining directly and strongly is you.

And that's a problem how? This is a discussion board after all.

Telling us we shouldn’t be complaining.

And you can either take it or leave it. I'm okay with either.

You have a point. I guess we could compile the decompiled code and compare the binaries.

I think you're attributing malice to something else. Bear with me while I point out these two things:

First, The tomatoes quote is a consequence of something he mentioned later:

I firmly believe that FOSS is literally for everyone.

And second, he goes on to write this:

It's important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.

Here's what I think: The dude is dogmatically dense. Not a literal nazi or transphobe. His response about moderation is part of that. "Ugh, I just want to code, not to babysit. If no one is spewing hate in my turf, they are welcome." And even though I don't agree with his stance, I still think he has a point: extremes are bad. And if the far-right is bad ("you're either with us or against us; death to you!"), the far-left is bad too ("you're either with us or against us; cancelled!")

I've been there. Even after explaining that I was a transgender rights ally and supporter, and asked a question about sports - a question, as in I was trying to get myself informed, this one mod lashed out at me as if I was the devil, simply because my views didn't perfectly align with hers before getting answers. It really caught me off guard. And she wouldn't budge. It's either her view or "pure unadulterated transphobia," which I found ridiculous. That's extreme.

But I'm capable of trying to reach to a middleground, whereas Vaxry stays firm - and that's fine. Don't like it? Don't participate in his community! But don't demonize him for some imaginary intentions you're placing on him.

True.

It could also be purportedly condescending. Still an insult.