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You see, OP? Condemning Israel is not difficult. Even Jill Stein can manage it.

Man, I'm going to feel like a real dick if English isn't your first language, but "not condoning" is very much not the same thing as "condemning". For example, I would not condone anybody hurling insults at you, especially if I think they're over the top. That being said, I wouldn't condemn it either. Do you see the difference?

I’m not obligated to explain myself to you. :)

True - your obligation is merely to your own conscience. If you ever get tired of being a garbage human being, you're going to have some serious soul searching to do.

I don’t have to explain anything to you or do anything of the sort.

Yup. Called it. No wonder you are acting like such a weasel. You are at the very least ok with it, and at most support it. But you don't want anybody else to know that about you, so you're trying to pretend you're taking some kind of moral high ground.

You know what the moral high ground actually is? Condemning genocide. It's possibly the most basic moral test that exists, and you failed it spectacularly. I stand by every negative thing I've said about you.

It’s not my job to condemn, support, or even comment on every article someone else posts

No, it certainly isn't. But the fact that you declined to respond to OP, and chose to respond to someone criticising OP instead is very telling about your priorities.

Also, just to be clear, I do like Israel. My girlfriend is Jewish, and I’ve been there—it’s a beautiful place. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with their leaders or condone genocide.

Ok, crazy hypothetical time here... let's say that we were discussing some other famous genocide. You can pick any one you'd like. And let's say that some piece of shit posted an article on the channel you moderate saying that "hey - actually it's not a genocide, it's just, like, pre-emptive self defence, guys", and someone calls that person out. If someone responds to that by saying: "Hey, I like <name_of_country>", would you take that to mean "I really like the rivers and hills, and I have a passing familiarity with the place", or would you not take the dumbest possible interpretation, and instead treat it as if instead of being a complete nonsequitor, it was in the context of the conversation to date? When you said: "I like Israel", it was in the context of Israel committing a genocide. Who gives a shit if the place is pretty? The conversation had nothing to do with how scenic the country is, but rather how terrible their government is.

By implying–actually saying–that I support genocide is a gross distortion of the facts and you should feel icky about yourself.

You want me to feel icky about interpreting the things you said in the way that makes the most sense? Maybe in the future, if you don't want to be misunderstood, be clear about what you're talking about, and don't try to weasel out of responsibility. Your entire whining response to me between that post and this boils down to you not taking responsibility for being obtuse.

I believe in diversity of opinion in that community.

Ah yes - classic liberal thinking: "People who deplore genocide and people who cheer it on should be equally heard!" Fuck you.

But don’t lie and say I support genocide.

Ok - condemn Israel, and condemn the poster who posted an apologetics piece about Israel's genocide. I don't give a shit how pretty you think the countryside of Israel is.

The article posted by the OP in that instance was a bullshit apologetic thinkpiece about how the people opposed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians are just ignorant, which includes the re-framing of genocide into "self-defense". You not only didn't have a problem with that, but you essentially defended OP against someone who did - me. At no point did you condemn any of the morally bankrupt positions the article OP posted took, and then you went and said that you like Israel. Could just be that you said that just to antagonize me, and you don't actually mean it. If that's the case, then at the very best, you're a disingenuous jackass who doesn't take the genocide seriously. At worst, you're a supporter of it.

Which is it?

It's actually pretty funny that you and OP are seeing eye to eye on this, considering you want the US to stop funding Israel's genocide, and OP is 100% cool with Israel's genocide. Politics makes for some strange bedfellows, indeed.

Well, I suppose it's fortunate for you that you enjoy being a monster. Saves you from cognitive dissonance, at least.

This really is quite pathetic when you think about it. The primary duty of a political party is to get their candidate on the ballot in all 50 states. Fuckery in Nevada aside, the Green Party has only managed to get Stein on the ballot in 38 states. Like, it'd be one thing if they managed to get her on the ballot in all 49 other states and just got screwed in NV, but they completely failed to do their job in 11 other states besides Nevada. And when it comes down to it, the problem in NV is that they filed incorrect paperwork. Any organization that was on the ball would be triple checking everything to make sure that their primary job (get the candidate on the ballot) was done right.

Shit like this is why I can never take the Green party seriously. How do you expect to win the presidency if the residents from a quarter of the states in the Union don't even have an option to vote for you? And if the party can't even get their primary job done correctly, how can they even expect to attract good candidates?

Right, which is the problem. It's a problem because Israel is a terrorist state that is actively committing a genocide. Liking them means that you are a morally bankrupt person. Hence why I said you can go fuck yourself.

I'd much rather look like a dick in the eyes of people who cheer on genocide than be a dick cheering on genocide. So fuck you and fuck OP, and fuck every single person who shares your dogshit opinions.

I mean, I also really don't care what you find important. You don't really enter into the equation at all. Unless you are OP on a sock puppet account, in which case, you can go fuck yourself.

Honestly, I don't really care how many people agree with me that a genocidal regime is committing genocide. But OP fucking himself would be a step in the right direction, at least.