You can quantity maths. It's the prime example of something objective and quantifiable. No I'm clearly not saying that.

What I mean with "exists only in our minds" is that it isn't some externally measurable thing. There is no moralometer which can measure the morality of an action. It only exists to us, humans. That makes it subjective.

If you're wondering about the meaning of the previous comment it is to clarify that saying there are no objective moral truths doesn't mean I am dismissing morality. It just means that objectivity isn't applicable to it.

GAAH! mark this post as spooky at once

"If it harms the people using it (and makes them addicted and unable to stop even if they wish to), the people around them, and the planet, I don't like it"

• actually me

Emphasised "continue" or "default" buttons have been around for a long time. In a software installer, nonstandard options are often less emphasised than the standard ones. For instance when choosing an installation location it makes sense for the default option, which is fine for most users, to be emphasized. If the continue and change location buttons were equally prominent the user might believe that a choice must be made here or that you are expected to choose a location. The experience of installing is more streamlined, less confusing for the less technically proficient, and requires less cognitive load when emphasis is used well.

As I said in an earlier comment, something being a dark pattern is entirely a matter of context. If used to encourage the user to shell out for gems in a mobile game, it's a dark pattern. If used to make user experience better, it's just good UX.

I agree with you largely. It isn't always a dark pattern. It is a dark pattern if it's used shadily or maliciously, for example to trick you into downloading adware in an installer. It's not a dark pattern, but rather good UX design if it's used in a context to indicate a likely default choice, for instance:

We've detected your system is set to Dutch. Is Dutch your preferred language?

[No, let me change] [Looks good]

Maybe someone else has other examples of good uses. It's not appropriate everywhere.

OP put [email protected] into Reddit's marketing newsletter and claims/thinks routine marketing emails is actual attempted communication by reddit

I love misinformation

Saying that something isn't objectively quantifiable (like morality)

isn't a value judgement on it

Subjectively the morality of your example is abhorrent, but objectively you cannot, cannot , cannot! quantity it! Morality only exists in our minds! That doesn't make it any less meaningful, but it makes it

not

objective

Do we know that? No. We literally, truly, don't know that. We may think it exists - I do, and so do you - but without empirical evidence we can't know for certain.

This doesn't prove anything? I mean... There are people who don't think women should vote, or that slavery was good...

You need something to download Firefox from right?

Edge isn't terrible at all. That's why it's such a risk to browser diversity and competition