PhilipTheBucket

They're victims too. They had so much propaganda, and so much bad education, and so many legitimate grievances about a government that since the 1990s at least has mostly forgotten about them.

I try to be kind in my thinking. They might attack and someone might have to defend against them. They might get attacked by the same system they supported in the beginning. A lot of them are going to get hurt, some of them very badly. None of that is good, even a little bit. Some of it "has to happen" and some will just happen because it happens. But I don't hold any of it against them nearly as much as I do against the people at the top that engineered this whole thing on purpose, with full awareness.

I'm pretty sure that if they are doing that on Lemmy, it's not without a human in the loop. I've been doing some experimentation with it, and I don't think it's a fully automated response.

I have some thoughts on it, along with a whole series of unfounded Fediverse conspiracy theories. I don't think they are doing fully automated bot responses. They might have LLMs helping to craft long, hostile messages that always carry the right framings and narratives at scale, but there wouldn't really be a way to detect that as far as I can see, so I'm not sure how much it bears thinking about. I do think systematically hijacking posts and making sure the comments look "right" is part of their system.

Take a look at this:

https://ponder.cat/comment/835655

I'm not sure it will be possible for a while.

Hunker down, make allies, have an escape plan. Keep doing unobtrusive things to keep important seeds alive and healthy, they're about to face some challenges. Stay off social media or anything that will put a target on you, keep your nose clean.

Until there's a critical mass of resistance, all it will do to try to oppose this is give it more cause for repression. Once it reaches a certain point, then sure. But in the meantime I don't know what would even be possible that would make anything any better.

It's not going to be a fun time.

they lived under better circumstances in the last Trump term

I was disinfecting my groceries, and Trump was confiscating my PPE to send it somewhere else. I was getting Covid checks, which was nice, but it wasn't exactly the same as working. I couldn't leave the house for a while. I couldn't buy certain mechanical things without going on a 3-month wait list. I knew some people who died.

They think they lived under better circumstances in the last Trump term, because the media and people like you spreading a certain type of mental landscape and inviting them to inhabit it. But that's not actually what happened.

instead of the democrats putting the work to meet these people they have chosen to belittle them

If belittling the people could cost you support in America, Trump would be in prison right now.

Now if you ask whether the media told people that Democrats were belittling them, now that's a different story. That, to me, seems a lot more worth examining than it does to lecture the Democrats how important it is not to do some things they didn't do, that the media said they did.

If they are outside the US, actively in contest with it in some kind of zero-sum game, then I don’t have too much to say that’s upset with them.

If they are outside the US and angry about its imperialism, I think they have yet to learn that the US doesn’t have a monopoly on it, and some of the other brands are somehow even worse. But the temporary or permanent collapse of the US might still be a good thing for them, depending.

If they are in the US, and edgelording, then fuck ‘em. I don’t exactly wish on them what’s in store, but there is a certain grim anticipation, I guess, of the day they start to learn about the reality of what they’ve been talking about.

Yeah. My initial presentation was unclear. Partly because it’s such a weird conspiratorial thing to believe that I kind of had to come at it sideways.

I’m saying that the comments under this post look manipulated, especially when compared with comments on Beehaw, which makes sense considering that beehaw excludes Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works which is where a ton of troll accounts come from.

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Hey, what do you think of Alexei Navalny?

Yes, I’ve heard your narrative. It’s wrong. For more, figure out a way to read the article, or otherwise learn what it is saying and why from some other source.

If you just want to keep repeating what you already think, find someone else to do it at, please. I heard it the first time you typed it.

I know that you have a narrative that Biden was able to suspend arms without congress or the American public raking him over the coals for it, maybe cancelling him and sending aid anyway as they did when Trump tried to hold aid for Ukraine. And that none of his piss-poor diplomatic resistance had any impact, and Kamala Harris was exactly the same and wouldn’t have formed any kind of brakes on Netanyahu, even when compared with Trump’s enthusiastic approval.

The thing is, none of that is true. For more information, you can read the article.

Then why did you fill your comment with everything about Biden?

It seems weird, if your goal was to evaluate Kamala Harris. It seems perfectly on-message if your goal was to criticize the Democrats using whatever came to hand.

The election’s over, so I don’t see the purpose in getting in a long argument with you about it. But criticizing Kamala Harris because she didn’t stop Netanyahu is about as stupid as criticizing Biden because he didn’t stop Trump from causing inflation that hit us in 2021 and 2022. And, I suspect, the reasons behind it are the same.

You know that Biden wasn't on the ballot yesterday, right?