Kalcifer

Be that as it may, the comment is rather misonformative, as it is currently written. It is evident that the main topic of conversation here is Hexbear; therefore, people scrolling through the comments are going to be expecting that all comments will be talking about Hexbear. The posted quote could very easily be interpreted as a quote from Hexbear, given the context, if read in passing by someone who doesn't feel motivated enough to follow a link.

You do realize that you don't need to join Lemmy.world, right? There's plenty of other instances with different moderation policies that might suit you, or you could just make your own instance. That's kind of the whole point of the fediverse. The reason why there's so much contention around this post is because the people who have accounts here are somewhat stuck until account migration is added.

Only thing different is, anyone that doesn’t agree with it can literally just… Fuck off to wherever they want

Unfortunately, until account migration is added, this is not as straightforward as it may sound.

Your comment's intent is rather dubious -- why post a quote from Lemmygrad, when the original post was talking about Hexbear? I encourage you to state that your quote is from Lemmygrad within the comment itself, instead of hiding it behind a link.

it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.

For the sake of absolute transparency, and clarity, would you mind specifying exactly what rules would be violated if Hexbear were to be allowed to federate with Lemmy.world?

Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.”

This is a rather assumptive statement. You can only guess that this would happen, and have no tangible proof that it actually would -- the previous quotes that you provided outline your ideological differences, and not proof of conspiracy. You leave out the fact that in the Hexbear post that you linked they are telling their users to behave on other instances. In the quotes that you provided, you, quite conveniently, left out some important contextual information which changes the perceived intent -- the full version of the quotes that you pulled is as follows:

Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.

While, yes, I agree that this is a rather uncouth way to word an official statement to the members of an instance, it shows quite the opposite for intent to spread harm to other instances.

In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.

Here are some examples:

“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”

Your point here makes little sense to me. If anything, the examples that you just provided state otherwise. These quotes do not prove intent to cause harm on other instances through rule breaking. Your argument seems to be founded purely on an ideological difference.

I have no issue at all with defederating with an instance if they are obviously harmful to the fediverse on the whole -- instances that promote spam, trolling, brigading, etc; however, hexbear, from what I see in the linked official post, shows no evidence of such intent. All I see is difference in ideology.

Matrix.

It’s a like button.

Officially, as stated in my post, it is not -- Mastodon does not want "likes" on the platform.

You are letting a user know that you like their post.

If this was the actual desired functionality, then why not federate it? The infrastructure already exists, so why not use it? Why make something separate?

I’m not entirely sure how it’s pointless that you are letting someone know you liked their post

I'm not saying that "Likes" in general are pointless, I am specifically saying that the existance of a unique "Favorite" button makes no sense as it's functionality is already covered by other features.

This does have an advantage actually, as the trending posts section of the Explore tab will show you posts that are primarily liked by people on your instance, which means if you’re part of an instance for a specific type of community, you will see more stuff related to your interests rather than “what everyone is liking.”

Why do you need a separate button for this? Is the metadata not already there in the ActivityPub protocol that shows what instance an actual like comes from? If so, just use that information.

The pupose of a Like button is to express that you like the post.

As stated in my post, Mastodon officially does not federate "Likes". So, to call it a "Like" makes little to no sense, to me. Why treat something as a "Like" if it isn't actually a "Like"? And if the users do actually want to treat is as a "Like", then why not just federate them like normal?

What is baffling about it? The function fulfills exactly the purpose that its name promises.

The functionality already exists through Boosts, and Bookmarks.

The person who made the post still sees all the likes.

This is part of my point though. Why make a separate "Like" feature that doesn't integrate with the existing infrastructure for the exact same thing? If people are treating it as a "Like", then why not actually make it a "Like"...?

Some services run where they are natively accessible through tor, but most don’t.

This was mostly what I was referring to. Does there already exist a sort of "hidden fediverse"? As in a fediverse that is only accessible over Tor/i2p?

I wasn't clear enough in my original post. I was referring to the idea of creating a sort of "hidden fediverse" which would be separate from the one over the clearnet.