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Im Chinese and live in Vietnam sometimes for work, i used to be there full time in HCMC but am not now. I had a few friends who are mostly leftists but it was sad how few even knew anything about the history or about Uncle Ho
The people like to connect our country's past suffering to communism to shit on it and say that we are better off right now because we get to have whatever the fuck Westerners have.
The Vietnam War only 50 years ago? Have people already forgotten? What do the older generations say about that?
Do people still long for the American dream after having been bombed back into the Stone Age? Sprayed with biological and chemical weapons? Massacred?
Can't really speak for the older people, but as I see it, most just kinda don't care, the past is the past. People with money keep sending their child to America for education, say our country is not good enough, you can't have a good life in Vietnam. It's like they would rather live under the mercy of capitalism than fight agaisnt the big bad. Western propaganda has truly seeped through every corner.
Oh that's interesting. Is Marxism taught in schools at all?
It is taught briefly in national universities but barely anyone give a shit about it. Students just think of it as something you have to go thru to graduate.
It makes sense for capitalists to keep the working class in the dark, but why would a revolutionary government neglect the education about basics of it's ideology? I can't understand that.
Our prime minister went from a guy who goes to local cafes and play chess with neighbors to a guy who lives in a big ass private mansion with a lot of corruption allegations so...
Because revolutionary governments can be infiltrated and corrupted just as capitalists governments are.
Hi, I was thinking about this recently, about how the social formation create communist parties and how if we fail to create the spirit of the revolutionary into the people the communist project falters.
below are additional readings that go into depth
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
That's a great essay.
Well, who's gonna fight for the communist revolution if not the proletariat.
People tell me the sentiment is the same in China
I am not Chinese so I cannot speak to the exact situation, but that seems to depend on the location.
Beijing? Hardcore communist strongpoint with Marxism a strong focus in local politics, universities, and civilian life.
Shanghai? Extremely liberal and nearly devoid of communist influence, with strong western leanings.
Is Shanghai really as liberal as people say it is? I have my doubts, but I do know there are a shit ton of capitalist bootlickers in Shanghai.
It saddens me because I'd love to live in Shanghai or Shenzhen, but the liberal atmosphere and the threat of flooding piss me off.
My family's from there and we've definitely felt that Shanghai is extremely westernized and liberal, even down to the smug moral superiority complex that western libs (the reddit types) have.
Many are pro-west and attribute the city's success to opening up to west while downplaying a bit the fact that it's due to the effective direct administration by the central government. Definitely have heard a few of them complain that the city government is not "ruled by true local old Shanghai-ers" and thus not putting their interests ahead of everything else.
What other cities besides Shanghai would you recommend for the same feel? Like say Chengdu.
Shanghai's also quite expensive too...
There was a saying a while ago about "If you want to feel history, visit Beijing/Xi'An. To feel modernity, visit Shanghai. To experience the future, visit Shenzhen."
Haven't been to them but if you enjoy spicy food you should have a decent time in Sichuan. Hunan (Chairman Mao's birthplace) might also be worth a visit.
I know its expensive to move to most major cities in China. I'm planning ahead for the future where if Amerikkka becomes too far-gone to become socialist, I'm thinking of moving my family and I to China to escape political and racial persecution.
I'm not Chinese, and I know its a long shot, but I have nothing to lose.
Start learning the language now, find a local class if you can, get your family learning, the earlier you start the better, Chinese is difficult and will help you immensely if you are genuinely planning to go, i know people who gwt passed over for jobs regularly in China because they're only visitor level speakers.
Also if you're well paid where you live now and have a lot of saving, tier 2 cities will be great price range for you. Also keep your eye in northeastern cities, they are on the up swing and tons of money is being dumped into them right for economic and social rehabilitation so when you are ready to move they may be perfect choices.
I'm not in a great financial situation but not absolutely terrible either. Mind if I pm you?
Go for it!
The thing people forget is China is a normal country with a Marxist Leninist party running it, there are diverse beliefs and people, and it's much more open then say, the soviet union, for better and for worse.
That's really interesting I hadn't heard that before.
It mostly revolves around cities that were bases for foreign influence, dating back all the way to colonialization. Shanghai was an occupied "port treaty" city, so it was heavily influenced by the British, Americans, Japanese, French, Dutch, and Germans. This has bled into the modern day as liberal and western sentiment is heavily entrenched. Shanghai is also a nexus of the financial market in China, so Western business and money is heavily concentrated in the city. This trend is repeated in Macau, Hong Kong, Zhenjiang, Tianjin, and so on.
Shanghai was also one of the primary Nationalist holdouts in the Civil War, so that also lends influence.
This image shows the sheer amount of colonized treaty cities that bled liberal and colonial influence into China.
Damn that sucks to hear
That's interesting. Sounds like the institutions are missing something in the explanation. It's up to the course designers to make sure their courses get student buy-in. That can be hard with Marxism in the west but it's possible. While I wouldn't have thought it would be 'easy' in a communist nation, I wouldn't thought it would be achievable.
Very basic Marxist-Leninist ideology, barely even in-depth enough, you wouldn't spend more than a few months with that course.
Hello, fellow Vietnamese comrade here. Nice to see another Vietnamese here
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