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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

It’s important for Germany and the EU too.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Curious how they will understand and adapt to German work ethics and laws.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They will just outsource the actual manufacturing to Easter European countries with atrocious labor laws.

I hope I'm not right.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the May issue of Wired magazine had a lengthy portrayal of TSMC as a company and their work ethic apparently made it very difficult to bring in American employees of TSMC to the HQ in Taiwan. Considering EU labor laws and German work-life balance priorities, not sure how well this can go πŸ˜…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thanks for pointing that out, interesting insights in that article, but wow that was the worst piece of writing I had to endure in a long time. It's amazing how you can say so little with so much text.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeeeaaaahhhhh, I usually enjoy Virginia Heffernan's writing, but this piece was something else. Too dreamy and poetic for most of it. Like, I get that you metaphorically stared God in the face considering the nano-tech going on in TSMC's fabs and that you want to convey a sense of absolute awe... but it gets tiring really fast

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is chip production labor intensive? My guess would be that the labor is negligible, compared to the cost for machines, knowhow etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, it is. Of course a lot of things are automated, but the amount of effort needed to run a fan efficiently is just insane.

Here's a video about the exactly same discussion, just with regards to the US

https://youtu.be/jlAWx_X5opA

[–] fouc 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess it makes sense for them to diversify their plant locations given the uncertainties around Taiwan/China relations. Germany also has quite a lot of know-how in microfabrication and there's already a non-insignificant cluster of companies in the sector. I guess that's why Intel decided to go there and it makes sense for TSMC to do so at some point. In any case, we're talking over a 10+ years horizon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I just don't want us to forget about Taiwan in the process. That chip dependency does seem to bring them a fair bit of safety guarantees.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That would be great

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