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Just chill, youre harshing my ethnic cleansing (lemmy.ml)

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[–] Candelestine 52 points 7 months ago (4 children)

tbf, every actual neo-nazi is probably doing everything they can to further piss off Israel. It's just a convenient opportunity is all, if someone is actually a hater.

They're not anywhere close to the majority, the majority just wants to save lives. But they're loud and sometimes clever, and good at hijacking other people's causes.

Both anti-semitism and anti-arabism exist, and both are bigotry, because all Jews and all Arabs are not the same, and will never all be the same. Any more than all Americans are the same.

It's a hard world though, right? Means we're going to need something better than simple, easy tools to wrestle with it. That's just how hard it is, and how little it cares about anyone's wishes for it to be simpler.

[–] kautau 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In a shitty ironic way, many neo-nazis are showing their really true colors as neo-fascists. They just want to support genocide and at this point, Jews are whiter than Palestinians, and they just want that same thing to happen against Black or Arab people around them. I’m happy to continue to use the word neo-nazi, but it’s a much broader spectrum of shittiness at this point.

[–] Candelestine 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Part of it is there's at least two competing factions of crazy-talkers. One is the Book of Revelations types, I don't know exactly how its supposed to work, but they want the second coming, and it's supposed to happen over there and be ushered in by chaos.

Other is Jewish conspiracy theory types, who just like seeing what they perceive as the ultimate "ruling class" brought low. They don't really need any holy book-type religions, their actual religion is just worldly power in all its forms--a depressing confluence of ignorance of what actually makes people strong, and pragmatism towards what it seems like makes people strong to them.

[–] RebekahWSD 3 points 7 months ago

I'm Jewish and the first ones, from two who talked to me years ago, either goes

"All jews must return to Isreal so the end times can happen" (she then got worse and rude when I said no thanks, so I don't know more than that) and the second was

"The end times will only happen when jews have a kingdom in Isreal and most jews return to the holy land for the last war"

They both claimed to like me being Jewish because there needed to be jews in order for the end times to happen and I just went back to stocking groceries and ignoring them mostly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I always think the revelation types that think they're definitely getting saved before the apocalypse is funny. The Bible says 144,000 will be saved, but the current estimate of Christians on earth is about 2.2 billion from what I can find. So you just gotta hit that 0.006545% chance.

While they're at it, they can go to the casino, bet their entire life savings on a single number on the roulette wheel, do that twice in a row, and their odds of winning that are 11x higher than being picked for rapture.

[–] Candelestine 1 points 7 months ago

I generally agree. When I pull out the specific term neo-nazi, I'm referring to an extremely specific brand of bigot. The kind that probably has Hitler saluted themselves in the mirror before. Hardcore, not some filthy casual bigotry.

Not the guys that will bully and call names, the guys that would kill if they could. That's their desire, murder, so long as they can get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a hard world though, right? Means we're going to need something better than simple, easy tools to wrestle with it.

Reminds me of this: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" - H.L. Menken

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[–] Sanyanov 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think the post is not quite about that.

Anti-semitism exists, absolutely yes. But condemning the state of Israel of war crimes is not example of one, no matter how Israeli government tries to twist it.

If you support the action of Israel against the civilians of Palestine, it doesn't matter if you're a Jew or not - you deserve the scorn you get.

If you're a Jew and you do not support this hell, I'm very sorry if you get any hostility directed to you, you're a victim too. You deserve love and safety. Condemnation of the actions of Israel is in no way directed at you.

But Israeli military generals and government should face international trial for what they've done. It is crazy somebody in their right mind dares to support them in the 21st century.

[–] Candelestine 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. I was just wanting to point out that not everyone who seems to be criticizing Israel for war crimes actually cares about war crimes in the slightest, it's more about what is actually a rare chance to simply hurt Jewish people in an actually substantial way. Since this small minority of actually severely anti-semitic people is extremely passionate about their beliefs, they are a surprisingly loud and disruptive force in what should otherwise be straightforward criticism of valid war crimes.

Many Israelis are emotionally devastated atm, which is one of the factors behind their irrational behavior imo. This makes them vulnerable to being pushed too far, by simply making them even angrier. They are not currently stable, at all. It's a collective madness of sorts, and it should be approached with care, not trolling.

[–] Sanyanov 2 points 7 months ago

Agreed, that's valid.

Emotional reactions sometimes lead people way too far, and I should've mentioned that as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Too many people see the world in black and white. You are either good or evil. Every person is both good and evil, but the media and propagandists want you to see one side as pure evil. Obviously it works because I see these kinds of posts everywhere. I don't see it getting any better since everyone carries a handheld propaganda machine with them all the time.

[–] NightAuthor 9 points 7 months ago

Yeah, and you’re just pushing your own moderate agenda, but I’m not buying into your rational thought bullshit.