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I loved Reddit for what it is, but nothing made me back out of a post faster than seeing the top 3 parent threads as a regurgitation of the same inside jokes, pun-chains, and so on.

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[–] Barrelephants 151 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Glad to see one of the first posts I see on here is whining about how other people post. Starting to feel like home already.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Don't worry! We'll develop our own new inside jokes to repeat and nauseum!

EDIT: I realized, 4 hours later, than auto-correct had changed "ad" to "and". I'm leaving it as it makes this comment even more obnoxious.

[–] 314xel 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Definitely! We have our own social network, with baccarat and masseuses!

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[–] akvomelono 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

first new inside joke: and nauseam πŸ’€

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[–] dialecticcake 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I think it's natural to want the majority of posts to meet one's preferences but what one finds interesting/entertaining/etc. varies for each person.

I love diversity and choice and so I'm happy that each community can have their own individual rules/cultures and we can pick which communities we want to join. E.g., I wouldn't expect the same behaviour/rules/culture in a shit posting community compared to an arch linux community, but I'm glad both types of communities and content will exist.

We can collectively choose what kinds of unique cakes to bake and we can choose which cakes to eat too. :D

[–] not_woody_shaw 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds like a good AI feature for a Lemmy client app. "βœ… I don't want to see comments that only contain a pun."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

this was something I loved about slashdot moderation. When voting, people had to specify the reason for the vote. +1 funny, +1 insightful, +1 informative, -1 troll, -1 misleading, etc.

That way you can, for example, set in your user preferences to ignore positive votes for comedy, and put extra value on informative votes.

Then, to keep people from spamming up/down votes and to encourage them to think about their choices, they only gave out a limited number of moderation points to readers. So you'd have to choose which comments to spend your 5 points on.

Then finally, they had 'meta moderation' where you'd be shown a comment, and asked "would a vote of insightful be appropriate for this comment" to catch people who down-voted out of disagreement or personal vandetta. Any users who regularly mis-voted would stop receiving the ability to vote.

I don't think this is directly applicable to a federated system, but I do think it's one of the best-thought-out voting systems ever created for a discussion board.

edit: a couple other points i liked about it:

Comments were capped at (iirc) +5 and -1. Further votes wouldn't change the comment's score.

User karma wasn't shown. The user page would just say Karma: good. Or Excellent, or poor, or some other vague term.

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[–] gary 83 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Lemmy will likely have its own "the narwhal bacons at midnight" phase.

It'll interesting to see what it is...and then almost immediately tiresome.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Damn, we're already gatekeeping in here? Nice.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] TigerClawTV 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are you sure you liked Reddit?

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I get what you're saying, but communities that spend time together will form their inside jokes, their way of doing things, etc. If you don't like it you don't have to participate. I say this with the upmost respect, but you need to get over yourself. Nobody is forcing you into a community.

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[–] RanchOnPancakes 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So you're saying we should encourage people to not comment and participate because you personally don't enjoy something?

I know I'm being a bit over the top with the wording there but lets really think about it for a moment. Participation is engagement. And if we want Lemmy and by extension Lemmy.World to grow its what we need.

I upvoted you. Its a valid discussion to have. I just personally don't think its something we should be worried about in general.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Let Lemmy grow. Growth and low effort pun threads is not what killed reddit. Corporate interference and shit stirring controversy spewing algorithms in the name of "user engagement" is what drove reddit down the drain.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (13 children)

~~you have my updoot~~

I jest. Ultimately without some sort of mechanic that disincentivizes noisy, low-effort joke comments there's not going to be some sort of magical cultural shift. I'm just arriving, but from what I'm seeing Lemmy doesn't have any sort of design that will skew comments towards actual discussion and away from jokes/noise in any meaningful way.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The way it is right now, we don't have total "karma", which I imagine helps to at least suppress the purely karma-farming spam. That said, there's no real reason to think it won't be added here eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm sorry.. but the pun threads are legendary. I actually hope they at the very least, continue.

It always puts a smile on my face.

[–] dystop 32 points 2 years ago (8 children)

...and my axe!

am i doing this right?

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[–] TCGM 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but nothing will kill adoption rates harder than doing the whole early Mastodon thing of "you should change how you behave here"

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago

Don't expect human nature to change just because some ceo of a different company decided to be a greedy dick, honestly

[–] Master 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I also choose this guy's inside joke!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would, but I broke both my arms.

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[–] Hildegarde 43 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lemmy sorts comments differently from reddit. Lemmy's documentation page about their algorithm describes reddit's algorithm as one that,

rewards comments that are repetitive and spammy.

It's an issue the developers claim to have a solution for.

I have no problem with jokes and comment chains. People should have their fun. But, I deleted my reddit account in frustration years ago. Reddit ranks the jokes higher than relevant discussion.

I'm cautiously optimistic. Lemmy is likely to be less prone to this particular problem.

[–] DocMcStuffin 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Wow, that's a clever little algorithm. It feels like it could work better.

Reddit's big problem (among many) was you had to get in early on a thread to contribute. Otherwise you could be so far at the bottom you might as well have sent your reply to the bit bucket.

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[–] bizzwell 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

For me, that was part of the charm.

I could still find the information I needed when it was a serious query, and I could still find sound and sensitive viewpoints on many topics. But, opening a horrible post just to see a horribly distasteful comment as the first response just kept reminding me not to take life so seriously.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm fine with a horribly distasteful comment, but for the love of God make it a unique horribly distasteful comment.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the other thing to consider with low effort, duplication of memes is the server overhead. one thing to burn corporate coffers with the same people of walmart and cat tropes but this kind of stuff burns server and storage resources.

for a corporate entity looking to make billions off our data that's the cost of doing business -- but for lemmy server admins it's a truly personal cost.

imo we should be respectful of our "homes" and try not to trash them with low value content.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't mind most of them but I downvoted every "Google en passant" comment chain.

[–] swab148 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] mantisteabaggin 24 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I spent an unhealthy amount of time on reddit over nearly the last decade, and somehow this is the first time seeing that phrase. I actually had to just google β€œgoogle en passant” to figure out what you’re talking about. I’m still not sure I understand the meme, and I’m certain Ive never seen it, or at least never paid attention to it if I did. Yet it must be common because at least two people bring it up in this thread. Crazy how that works.

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[–] Soltros 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I also hope nobody is going to be editing their comment and saying "wow, this blew up."

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This

Edit: thanks for the gold kind strangeerrr

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hopefully you can find some social media platform that doesn't have any other people on it so that you can live in peace from the dumb shit that other people post.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Idk, I love comment chains like that. The funny comments, references or comment interactions are often the funniest thing about a post.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some people like that stuff, you don't have to but why make a point of yucking their yum?

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[–] FreeThinker 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To shreds you say, tsk tsk tsk. Well, how’s his wife holding up?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't mind me, I am just waiting in the wings to "Choose someone's wife"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

I also choose this guy's wife.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This 🀣🀣🀣

[–] simple 25 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Edit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!!!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

~~This is the way~~

At first I thought this is an overly pretentious post, but while writing a response I thought about some of the most upvoted yet heinously circlejerky comment threads I've had to wade through to get to a rational or different comment. Good point OP'Lem!

[–] elonspez 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (15 children)

There's a noticeable generation gap between people who use 1!1!1! and the ones who would say sO MuCh tHiS! I'm not sure when it happened but I'm gonna guess you are about 35?

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