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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This will end with the destruction of an entire culture and sets back peaceful discourse for generations. Not enough people with a voice weep for the suffering of the innocent, regardless of the perpetrator.

[–] Whatsit_Tooya 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No need for peace talks if you exterminate the other side taps forehead - Israel probably.

It’s truly a shame to watch this play out. And no this doesn’t mean I support Hamas. I just also don’t support Israel.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I agree native Americans should have had the ability and freedom to fight against their colonizing oppressors, and I think the same applies for any other group, Palestinians included. Should that be through Hamas? I don't know. It's not really for me to judge. They're being oppressed and murdered by a much more powerful force which is getting weapons and support from the most powerful nations in the world. They aren't going to win a conventional battle. The only option is what Israel will always call terrorism. What restrictions should be applied isn't really up for us to decide until we at least stop supporting the Zionists.

[–] user_2345 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Taliban will teach distraught family members how to deal with their enemies. I guarantee it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's hard to imagine how they can't realize this is just leading to further radicalization. So much so I have to wonder if that's either the goal or they simply don't intend on leaving anyone left at the end of this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They know, but war is good for business and reelection efforts.

[–] thatsage 1 points 1 year ago

They intend to eradicate Hamas. Israel has no choice anymore.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should be noted that 'refugee camp' is a somewhat misleading term. These are functionally cities that are located where temporary camps were originally located. As refugee status is inherited by Palestinians, these are communities of legal refugees and thus, strictly speaking, refugee camps, but the image is very much not what the term brings to mind.

This is not to downplay the tragedy of civilian casualties; just providing some context that people may not know.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but the image is very much not what the term brings to mind.

What I'm seeing and what you're describing is roughly what I would have expected. Did you think refugee camps are all tents or something?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what I think when I read "refugee camp". Tents for refugees to stay temporarily.

[–] Therealgoodjanet 30 points 1 year ago

Apparently it isn’t bad enough they are in refugee camps and they all have to die. This will never stop, it is so tragic.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As Israel continues their barbaric campaign of death they will lose all their allies on the left. The majority of the upcoming American generations (all progressively more left leaning) won't support our key middle east partner any longer. Israel will be forced into the circles of auth right allies, further solidifying the fascistic ethnostate within. This really is Israels 9/11.

So sad that all the people in these threads claiming to want to defeat Hamas can't understand that every second this continues their victory grows greater. There's always time to stop this madness. There's always time to step back from the abyss and help save Israel, but it needs to be your voices that help do it.

[–] krzschlss 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... "won’t support our key middle east partner any longer" ...

lol. They will forget. We are forgetting faster and faster... the new generations are also not caring more and more. And we need oil. Lot's of oil.

It's all going as planned. What these butchers (not just Israel, also US and EU) are doing to Palestine today will just be a footnote of a 'war against terrorists' in few years.

This genocide is no freak accident (weakened Israeli defense systems my ass). All our politicians hands and by proxy our hands are steeped in blood... and the Nazis are louder and louder in Europe again... cheered on and supported by the mighty american and british media and war machines. All running on oil.

The ones that will still be remembering won't have any platform to be seen or to act upon...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Part of the "weakened Israeli defense systems" was Netanyahu redirecting people and assets from around Gaza to the West Bank to aid in the ethnic cleansing over there.

The entire plan was; "ignore Gaza and trust the magical iron dome system to be magic, but use the threat of Hamas to justify an ethnic cleansing where there is no real Hamas presence".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Save Israel"? Who do you think is currently dropping bombs on children?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

He probably meant save them from their genocidal government and it's actions, but truthfully this nation has always been genocidal and it's by design.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm confident not every Israeli sees it as a rational response.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Meh, you can only do your best. Ya know?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Sure. Do you think they are not worth saving? That was the point I was trying to make to people who support Israel. Do I seem unaware of who's dropping the bombs?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Some of those people are just burner accounts for the purpose of sending a specific message.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But at least also 2 Hamas terrorists are killed in this attac (sarcasm off)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Bombing towns and hospitals, I think, is not the best way to liberate them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The United States needs to stop supporting Israel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

They don't call em "the most moral army" for notthin

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Damn, they're self-defensing so hard.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hasn't Israel blown past the civilian death toll by now in order to match the music festival attack and call it even?

[–] mlg 2 points 1 year ago

I think it was about 1k for Israel.

Assuming Gaza's numbers are accurate, yeah they've blown past about 8.5 times with 8.5k deaths.