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[–] ItsMeForRealNow 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The key is to get everybody to hate you. That's why I'm a centrist. Everybody hates me from every side.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but it reminds me of Kassandra who was cursed by Apollo and destined to tell everyone true prophesies, but nobody would ever believe her.

She foresaw the fall of Troy and tried to warn everyone, but was ignored and forced to watch the city's downfall.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (41 children)

If someone says that they are “centrist” they are not telling you that they base all of their opinions on being in the middle of any two positions. That would be astoundingly stupid and is very much a straw-man take on the situation.

They are telling you that they agree with neither major party on everything, and find that both parties have views that they don’t agree with. It’s pretty easy to come to that conclusion because the US two-party system packs in an almost incoherent mishmash of beliefs into exactly two sides.

There is absolutely no contradiction in being for police reform, and against riots lasting for days. There is no contradiction in being for gun rights, while also wanting limits on them. There is no contradiction in wanting functional government services and universal healthcare, and thinking that free markets are effective. There is no contradiction in wanting a more balanced budget, and government services to be funded.

The idea that there are only two sides in politics is a strange delusion created by your two party system.

If you are left wing, and argue for left-wing policies in every case, that means you will also be argued with by somebody who believes political nuance and not just waving a party flag.

The right wing also shits on centrists because they think they are secretly left-wing since they argue with some of their stupider points as well.

These people are not "secretly right-wing" and just don’t have the balls to say it. That is a horrendous take no matter where you fall on the political spectrum the only serves to limit conversation.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There is absolutely no contradiction in being for police reform, and against riots lasting for days. There is no contradiction in being for gun rights, while also wanting limits on them. There is no contradiction in wanting functional government services and universal healthcare, and thinking that free markets are effective. There is no contradiction in wanting a more balanced budget, and government services to be funded.

That is a left position in the US.

The republicans are against police reform (except eliminating the FBI) and in favor of riots (as long as they are to overturn elections a Democrat won). They want no limits on gun ownership (except maybe black and LGBT people). They think the government is always worse than free markets and that child labor is part of a healthy free market. They want a balanced budget only when a Democrat is in office, otherwise they are fine with blowing trillions on tax cuts for the rich. The only government service they care about is ones to suppress and control non-white people.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

aka the Cassandra curse

[–] Saltblue 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Both sides narrative it's ring wing propaganda, "both sides are the same, so why don't you vote for us, you won't feel guilty"

Only "centrist" fall for it, and saying falling for it, it's pretty generous, "centrist", "independent", they really want to fall for it, any excuse is good enough, so they can vote ring wing or openly fascist people.

Both sides people = conservative RW afraid of judgement.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If ignorance is bliss
Then knock the smile off my face

Rage against the machine!

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