I like how no one cares anymore about animal abuse as long as it’s not a dog or cat. I thought free range was supposed to be better than cage-free but turns out they both suck especially since the federal agencies responsible for investigating claims of animal abuse have been completely stripped of ANY power. I read an article a few months ago about a slaughterhouse near my hometown where an animal rights activist had taken an video showing cows being gutted WHILE STILL ALIVE AND CONSCIOUS because whatever the used to stun them wasn’t working properly. People just turn a blind eye to this and then go and mock vegans for whatever reason. I eat meat and I used to work with research animals where there was actual effort to reduce animal suffering. But clearly I need to be more selective about where I source my food. I don’t want to become a vegan but it’s becoming increasingly clear that given the state of regulations of the animal industry that is the only moral option (with maybe the exception of actually knowing and seeing where the product is coming from)
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Honest question: what is keeping you from becoming vegan?
Unlike the poster above, I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong in theory to eat meat. It’s just how blatantly violent and inhumane the industry currently is, with minimal laws and even less actual oversight that I find abhorrent. Sure it might be better to be vegan to avoid just the possibility of contributing to animal abuse, but I have other issues to balance. So instead I try to find local eggs and other alternatives that are less likely to involve abuse.
We need regulations and inspections to make sure these companies don't do animal abuse. Also, we must bring externalities into the pricing of said meat and remove every subsidies. I don't mind people eating meat. I just want the cost to be the real cost while reducing animal abuse to the minimum. We know how, there's no reason to continue what we do now. Currently, the profit motive is too high.
I don't care how free their range is, they could have been raised in a luxury resort and it'd still be shitty to kill animals for food. What gives us the right to any other sentient being's life, especially now that technology has advanced enough to make meat effectively obsolete.
I have a position that is a bit more controversial.
I don't think killing plants is totally insignificant. They are a very different life form so they are very difficult to understand from our point of view. However we do know that plants have sensations, that they can be able to communicate to each other, they can support each other and in some cases the older trees are supporting their youth by giving them more nutrients. So I would no day that killing plants are insignificant.
Does it means that it's pointless to be vegan ? No of course, especially since most meat is fed with cereals grown in huge monoculture. It's neither good for animals or for plants. Personally my position is more to try and consume food that has been produced in good conditions, vegetarian or not
Whatever your position on the treatment of plants is, being vegan means less plants are being killed, since livestock, you know, eat too. It takes a lot of food to feed livestock. So, not worried about plants? Go vegan. Worried about plants? Still go vegan.
@periwinkle @BastingChemina eat what you want don't go around telling people what to eat. Humans have been eating whatever they want. You can't change that by being a sensitive crybaby on the internet so shut up
yes, mindfulness is very important when it come to the realization of what exactly we are putting into us. We kill to survive. Any animal does (to my knowledge). But we should also have the necessary respect for the thing we have to kill. The question I always had, before I turned to vegetarianism for beliefs, ethics, and climate was one hard one to answer: Is it better to kill 100 chickens or one cow and use it completely? Especially when trying to see it from all 3 prior viewpoints. But in this day and age, where we are unable to raise our food ourselves, I just think that we should all use our resources very efficiently, and change our future to be sustainable.
And just as a disclaimer, I don't promote vegetarianism, I personally don't care what you eat, since it's such a personal thing. Live your life, just be diligent about it. So many people run on autopilot nowadays and sadly, it shows in my humble experience.
Ok now you lose me. We have evolved to kill for food
No we've evolved to cook our food, not necessarily kill.
Have you heard about live chicken maceration / culling?
Fuck... It's one thing to hear about it. Watching it is something completely different. I don't know that I want to consume eggs ever again.
If you have lived in a city your entire life, you probably won't know how animal husbandry works, why should it matter? It's like asking if people know how selective breeding is done, or cross pollination, or what happens to the runts of the liters in all of nature or figuring out what wolves eat.
I have known that "free-range" was a marketing gimmick that was created to help assuage the guilt of people living in an alienating society to differentiate food brands. It has nothing to do with any actual animal husbandry practices which are nearly identical amongst all the worlds abattoirs.
It's good that people are aware of where their food comes from. It's an emotional mile-stone that children must overcome to be well adjusted individuals.
What a great meme! sure made me laugh!
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