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Germany updated their list of aid to Ukraine.

  • 4 Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC)

  • 1 IRIS-T air defense system and missiles

  • 1 TRML-4D radar

  • Ammo for MARS-2 MLRS

  • 8 VECTOR drones

  • 4 GO-12 radars

  • 5 UAVs

  • 5 USVs

  • 6 patrol vehicles

  • 5,000 155mm artillery shells

  • 4 8x8 HX81 trucks and trailers

  • 10,000 safety glasses

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there any info out there what those USVs could be? are they the platforms with tracks to e.g. evacuate wounded or transport?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What's the tactical application for Ukraine for those things? Finding sea mines?

[–] Etterra 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is that a lot? That doesn't seem like a lot. I'm an American, our government's insanity gives us a false sense of what constitutes "a lot" in a military context.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Air defense systems and radars are invaluable for securing energy infrastructure this winter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Iris-T is a state of the art medium range air defense system, reportedly with a hit rate in the upper ninety percentages. The Vector drones are also a couple hundred thousand per drone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wouldn't say that it's a massive package, but it's part of a steady stream support. However as you say, it is hard rival the US military complex in size.

As someone already mentioned the Iris-T SLM system and radars are probably the highlight. Air defense is always needed and this is a modern system. Ukraine already got 2 of them before and presumably this is a newly produced one. So in this regard we really are limited by supply.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They were almost certainly referring to the winter & electricity gear. Unless there's something undisclosed, but I don't see that given that Ukraine still lacks a launch platform for Taurus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They managed to adapt the Su-24 for Storm Shadow, no reason it couldn't be done for Taurus; they are of similar size and weight.

I think the compromise was that they need to be programmed on the ground, as the aircraft avionics don't offer a compatible complex interface, but a launch signal can be rigged. Since Both will probably be used against fixed targets (airfields, bridges, ...) that is not a big drawback. Still, it needs to be done, and is not quite trivial.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think Stormshadow is pre programmed by UK staff on the ground first before eventually launched by Ukrainian pilots. That won't work with Taurus afaik as it needs a constant connection to the plane and also I believe it is also illegal for Germany to have their troops involved directly.