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Is discussion in this community limited to Psilocybe mushrooms or are Amanita varieties such as Muscaria also permitted? (self.shrooms)

submitted 2 years ago by Omnimater to c/shrooms

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Posting for personal posting clarity as well as to put out something for thought to the community.

I'm not sure what r/shrooms policy was on this, I don't recall really noticing Amanita related posts on there though.

Amanita mushrooms are NOT psylocibin mushrooms but instead have different chemistry involved. Many guides mark them as poisonous, but some Amanita varieties, most commonly and notably Amanita Muscaria, are psychedelic in nature. Use of these mushrooms in such a manner dates back centuries, likely millenia, in regions with pine forests.

I'm in favor of including all mushrooms of psychedelic nature, but it is important to consider this for the community moving forward.

I've started seeing Amanita Muscaria popping up in smoke shops in my area in the US all of a sudden. It's generally legal and ignored, but it seems like it is going the way of Delta 8 and all the cannabinoids here soon. So expect to see WAY more discussion of mushrooms in reference to Amanita Muscaria in the coming months/years.

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[–] Toyoguru 17 points 2 years ago

I vote that any mushrooms with a psychoactive ability have a place in the community

[–] blueskiesoc 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Funny. I subbed because I thought this community was about cool mushrooms. I haven't tried "shrooms", but maybe I will someday. Where can I do it legally?

Bonus pic of Amanita caesarea. Not a psychedelic mushroom.

Source with other cool mushroom pics

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, its more for people who are more interested in actives than other species like gourmet or the like. Shrooms are fully decriminalized in Oregon, and are somewhat decriminalized in a few other states, although it is probably not a huge deal in most places so long as you aren't doing something stupid. There has been a pretty big push as of late push for at least decriminalization, especially because they have some success in preliminary studies on vets with PTSD (even some that was treatment resistant) when used in therapy (1, 2).

The biggest thing about the availability is how easy it is to get active spores in most states. I would be remiss to not say that those are to be only looked at under a microscope, and definitely not grown, despite how easy it might seem (definitely never lookup BRF Tek, Uncle Bens Tek, or CVG).

Also, nice mushroom pics, guess I have more screen backgrounds options now.

[–] Omnimater 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow fantastic gallery thanks for sharing!

On reddit r/mushrooms and r/mushroomid were for the fungal hobby and interest while r/shrooms was the drug community. I haven't yet gone looking for the mushroom boards here, but all posts on this board so far have been about psylocibes, primarily growing.

Psylocibin mushrooms are illegal in most areas of the US, check your local laws internationally lol. In the US, AFAIK the only legal/decriminalized areas to purchase or use psylocibin recreationally are Denver, CO Oakland, CA and the State of Oregon.

Amanita Muscaria (and by extension the other psychoactive varieties, but Muscaria is really the only one sold commercially at least right now that I've seen) to my knowledge is completely legal to obtain or use. Sale of it is rarer, but I have seen it recently popping up in more smoke shops in my area in gummy, chocolate, and vape form (mixed with cannabinoids). Pay attention as edibles can be vaguely labeled and also might have a mix of other mushrooms (Chaga, lions mane, reishi, etc.), But that's the form I'd recommend for now. I've purchased and used a brand called I think just Purple and they were good 👍

[–] blueskiesoc 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you for the detailed response. Wow.

[–] indicah 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm completely in favour of including all mushrooms of psychedelic nature

[+] Mateo 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] Omnimater 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have tried it. I found it similar to LSD, though shorter in duration and not quite as frantic. I don't feel exhausted after the trip either, in fact I find it easy to go to sleep after a while and I wake up more energized than I normally do the next day. I had about 300mg in gummy form both times.

Both muscimol and ibotenic acid were listed active ingredients, but to my understanding ibotenic acid, when ingested and metabolized and not injected, is essentially just converted back into muscimol. Not an expert though, pretty new to Amanita in fact.

I did find one night that I dreamt more significantly, but basically it was the fact I dreamed at all, I usually never do.

Haven't noticed the blank mind effects personally, or any real lingering after effects.

Not knowing how reliable this commercial space is, I've wondered if I'm actually finding some research chemical being sold under the false name. Need to try another brand for cross reference I guess.

[+] Mateo 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] Omnimater 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have used LSD a number of times but psilocybin only once or twice, I've for some reason just found it harder to come by usually, and more expensive. I have no DMT experience really at all. I would say though that the Acid-shrooms middle ground definitely describes what I experienced.

My wife and I really want to forage our own Agaric and/or psilocybes from the wild, but have yet to have success.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've heard that some of the stuff sold in smoke shops, gas stations, etc as legal mushroom gummies are actually 5-meo-mipt and other analogs. That being said I've wanted to try Amanita Muscaria but worry about them possibly being a neurotoxin.

[–] plague_sapiens 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Amanita Muscaria is awesome. The Ibotenic acid needs to be decarbed to form Muscimol, which is more or less a GABAergic hypnotic. Low doses are like a benzo high, mid doses are more trippy, high doses are definitely a mix between a hallucinogen and hypnotic. Oh and it mixes very well with Ethanol. Best recipe so far is decarbing the mushrooms at around 60°C in the oven for some hours or let them sit somewhere dry and cold for 4-6 months. Crush the dried material, put it in Vodka and let it sit for 1-2 weeks. 2g shrooms per 100ml Vodka is usually enough, cause Amanita Muscaria trips start at around 1g of dried shrooms.