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[–] Zehzin 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They targeted gamers. Gamers.

[–] LastSprinkles 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is almost certainly nothing to do with gaming but rather with preventing China from building up their own chip industry and using US chips in things like AI applications.

[–] Zehzin 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"They targeted gamers. Gamers" is the start a dumb copypasta, pay no mind

[–] PeterPoopshit -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The fucking government is stepping in to take away video games from people now. What the fuck.

[–] surewhynotlem 12 points 8 months ago

You'll be surprised (or not?) To hear that gaming is not the primary use for video cards.

[–] BetaDoggo_ 16 points 8 months ago

Gamers truly are the most persecuted class.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

too powerful to be shipped to China

Ummm, isn't that where they were manufactured?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Taiwan is an independent country. Any claim the PRC has over taiwan is historical revisionism.

[–] Zehzin 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Unless I misunderstood the article, the fact they are made in mainland China is kind of the point of the restriction, and Nvidia could now seek to move production to Taiwan as a result

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Revisionism, no.

Irredentism, yes.

Imperialism, yes.

[–] Goldoad -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Found the person that doesn't know recent Chinese history or even basic political positions of the involved parties but thinks their opinion matters.

They also don't know what irredentism is and think commies don't mind being accused of imperialism.

Both nations follow a One China policy. Meaning, in effect, they both claim to be the rightful ruling government of China.

Irredentism is the advocation of the return of historical territory, usually used as a justification for conquest through force.

Taiwan was conquered by the Qing Dynasty from Dutch colonialists in 1683. It was lost to Japan after the 1st Sino Japanese War in 1895, and regained in 1945 following the Second Sino Japanese War, which had become part of WW2.

In 1949, the ruling party of the KMT finished getting their asses kicked by the communists, because Chiang Kai-Shek was a borderline fascist himself who sucked ass in every way and deserved to be overthrown after pissing off everyone in China.

The remains of the KMT fled to their newly regained territory in Taiwan, because they still controlled the small Chinese navy and the USSR couldn't loan Mao an invasion fleet without starting WW3, as the KMT was technically a victorious member of the Allies.

There is no revisionism. Taiwan has been Chinese territory for 400 years, except for a small blip of being conquered by the Japanese, who were real pricks about it, btw.

Taiwan does not call itself Taiwan. It calls itself the Republic of the China, and has become a strongly democratic republic in truth after the KMT was given the choice of allowing other parties or losing American support. As far as they consider things (at least from a political perspective), the PRC is a undemocratic usurper state, temporarily in control of their rightful territory, the vast majority of the rest of China.

Which you would know, if you had any insight or knowledge of the situation.

Now if you want to argue that no one bothered asking what the indigenous Taiwanese people have thought for this whole period, and they should be liberated from Chinese colonizers, the only vaguely reasonable position that doesn't recognize that Taiwan is Chinese territory, feel free. I'm sure the world will get right behind you sending the 19.5 million ethnically Chinese Taiwanese people back to the mainland.

[–] Evilcoleslaw 10 points 8 months ago

The chips are manufactured in Taiwan. Many of the graphics cards the chips go into are made in mainland China though -- which is where they're going to have issues.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Given the demand for Nvidia's AI GPUs across the globe, the company does not expect its financial results in the near term to be affected by the new export rules.

Meanwhile, it remains to be seen how these new export rules affect the production and prices of GeForce RTX 4090-based graphics cards, which are generally made in China.

Colorful, which is one of Nvidia's major customers and which happens to be one of the world's largest graphics card manufacturers, only operates in China.

Starting from November 16, 2023, Nvidia will be unable to ship its A100, A800, H100, H800, L40, L40S, and GeForce RTX 4090 cards and modules for AI and HPC computing to China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam without an export license from the U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security.

All the aforementioned products, except the GeForce RTX 4090, are data center GPUs for AI, HPC, and cloud applications.

The GeForce RTX 4090 is the best graphics card money can buy, assuming price isn't a limiting factor, but since the new restrictions curb exports of high-performance processors in general, it falls under the new regulations.


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[–] breakingcups 4 points 8 months ago

Well, they definitely won't get their hands on them now!