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Israel to Release Footage, Recordings in Gaza Hospital Explosion (www.wsj.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/world

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Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a briefing early Wednesday morning that no Israeli strike, either by air, land or sea, occurred near Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the time of the deadly explosion. He added that drone footage, radar information and a recording of Gaza militants indicate a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket was responsible.

He said the Israeli military would soon publish the radar info, footage and a recording of militants in Gaza assigning blame to Islamic Jihad, a group aligned with Hamas. All the information, Hagari said, would be given to President Biden as part of a "full briefing" when the U.S. leader arrives in Israel Wednesday.

Palestinian Ambassador to the U.N. Riyad Mansour accused Israel of carrying out the strike, calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar for blaming the strike on the armed group Islamic Jihad. “Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie,” Mansour said during a press conference at the U.N. headquarters.

Edit: From the IDF’s official Telegram Channel

Post 1:

IDF: A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City

Attached is a video from the IAF system that captured the area around the hospital before and after the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization: https://bit.ly/3M5oQMI

Post 2:

IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City:

Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362

Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG

Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854

Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672

Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984

Post 3:

Following the recording that was sent out, attached is a transcript of the conversation between Hamas operatives: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC181020238465

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[–] drekly 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-air-force-bomb-gaza-hamas-6000-times-continue-relentlessly-2023-10

This was 6 days ago.

More bombs in 6 days than a year in Afghanistan. And it's been a further 6 days.

Why are they even bothering to deny they did this when they're the ones bombing Gaza over and over.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Why are we talking and not doing? Just release it already if it's vindicating.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It takes a long time to extract and compile evidence. Especially when it is this important. It will need to be checked over as well before anything is released.

[–] plz1 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They also need to redact anything damning...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

or just classified in general… there’s plenty of blame to pass israel; let’s not give anyone ammo to say it’s all just bias

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago

Ok great. Do it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (9 children)

I'd be very interested to see their evidence, especially given the initial claim that they hit the hospital because HAMAS were there. The video that I saw shows a fuck off huge explosion, and I'd be very surprised to learn that a Jihadist group's rocket did that. AFAIK, most of their rockets are anti-personnel and anti-armor grade, stuff a little like what the HIMARS carries, not shit that's going to level half a hospital in one go. I mean, unless they're just casually rocking Tomahawk cruise missiles or something, it just seems like a big reach.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Do you have a source for this initial claim? The only one I have seen is a random tweet by a wannabe Israel fanatic influencer, and not at all an official statement.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Other than things that could be explosive in a hospital normally (O2 canisters), Hamas has been known to use hospitals to store munitions and launch rocket strikes in the past. While I'm not saying "Israel definitely didn't do it" I don't think it's out of the question or even unlikely that it genuinely wasn't an Israeli strike

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

O2 doesn't explode. I've done 13 years in EMS, handled the stuff daily, tried it. O2 doesn't and wouldn't explode like that. Concentrated O2 WILL make a fire burn MUCH more aggressively, but not explode.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I would like to see this evidence. The flipping of stories from Israeli spokespeople right after the event to now is bizarre. There were a number of people, even initial US government responses, saying that the hospital was a Hamas hideout, so Israel blew it up on purpose and it's a good thing.

Also, why do they just so happen to have audio recordings of this specific terrorist group talking about this event in particular within an hour or so after the event? Is that a likely thing for them to have acquired?

[–] JoeHill 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

If you don’t trust the Israeli government, the whole thing was live-streamed. https://nitter.net/COUPSURE/status/1714380403782324249

That footage was subsequently rebroadcast on Al-Jazeera.

There’s a number of other angles you can find on the birdsite too.

And yes, if someone was talking about it on a radio, I’d expect Israeli sigint to pick it up. This is not their first rodeo. They’ve been the occupying power in Gaza for 56 years. That’s what made the Hamas massacre so shocking: how on earth did they miss the planning for two years.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's the video where the timestamp doesn't match up with the hospital event. It's 30-ish minutes off for some confusing reason.

Not to be confused with the other video being used for a while on official Israeli government accounts that got deleted when people figured out it was from 2022.

[–] JoeHill 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Speaking from my own experience running local cameras, timestamps aren’t always accurate due to admin misconfig or admin laziness

But if we’re going to say that’s not the right footage, why is Al-Jazeera broadcasting it? To me, it doesn’t seem to square with their narrative, so why show it to their viewers at all?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

It was just a livestream on Al Jazeera. It was running constantly. Hence why timestamps being off doesn't make much sense.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You really think shrapnel from a already disabled rocket could cause such a large explosion? Palestinians do not have western high explosives.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Okay I actually made the effort to listen to the Audio and took a look at those photos.

The two men in the audio recording are talking about a misfire that happened directly behind the hospital - from a nearby cemetery to be exact.

https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG

On the other hand there is a picture attached that shows a rocket launch site that is quite a long way from the Hospital - or is this the cemetery those men in the voice recording were talking about?

https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984

It does not seem to be the right picture…

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Crosspost from another similar thread:

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
why does the building seem undamaged?
how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/18/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-hospital-west-bank-update-joe-biden-visit-protests-latest-updates

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