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[–] [email protected] 75 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I recently had to work with XSLT (may it's inventor burn in hell for their crimes).

That's pretty much programming in XML. It's probably the worst possible thing.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

XSLT is fine

If you have a program generate it

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

Sadly, it was done manually. I had to migrate it to this brand new bleeding edge technology, Apache Velocity. That's not great either, but it's much less terrible than XSLT.

For that task I had to learn two templating languages at the same time to port it from one to the other. Wasn't an easy task.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Pff. I know someone who generated programs using XSLT.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can't even imagine. I've got fed up by the short time I had to configure Maven in plain xml...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yes, there is: https://github.com/takari/polyglot-maven

I am just not sure if that's much better. Maven is just a huge pain in the rear.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Bro the project I'm on uses XSLT and the first time I saw it I legitimately thought I was having a stroke because I could not accept that anybody would be stupid and/or masochistic enough to actually want something like that.

However, I've now made it my mission to master it because it makes me feel like a high-born wizard speaking of ancient secrets in a tower high above humanity

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I totally know that feeling :)

Well, in the 90s, XML was the future. Luckily, not a lot of this future remains.

Just imagine what HTML would be like if JSON had been available back then.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is not HTML. It isn't even XML. It's not as bad as designers putting "code" into ads, but it's close.

Also, ever heard of XSLT?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean it's valid XML

It's just not useful

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It isn't valid XML. No root node.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We may just not see it but fair point

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

The editor would need to start counting lines at zero.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The line numbers show us that we're seeing the whole file.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Oh ur right

Ew I didn't notice

That's awful

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

They only (probably) show us that we are seeing the begining of the file. Also relative line numbing is a thing in vim for example.

[–] jaybone 1 points 8 months ago

Could it be an xml entity (or whatever it’s called) that you reference from another xml file? Do those require root nodes?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This reminds me of Apple plist files, which appear to have been invented by someone that doesn't know how XML works.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which is true for the majority of all XML files I've ever come across in the wild.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think XML only makes sense if your data is heavily tree-like

[–] misterzero 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In that case, why not use JSON?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

JSON spreads out tree nodes vertically (with all the attributes), whereas in XML it's usually one node per line, ie. more compact I suppose. This is just my very niche opinion though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

because you have a thing against solutions that are both beter and easier

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

What even are those?

[–] Presi300 19 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You should check out this new project, supposed to be twice as fast as HTML. It's called XHTML.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I thought that was the HTML used by Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is it just me, or does the append statement not indicate where you are appending the "number" element to?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I will never understand how XML came into being when lisp already existed.

[–] alokir 28 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

(reminds (it (of (story me))))

[–] Pipoca 1 points 8 months ago

Would you really rather see <\Foo> than )?

There's a reason why most popular languages use } rather than end if or fi. The added verbosity doesn't actually help people read your code more than e.g. indentation or editors with paren matching or rainbow parens.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Meanwhile in APL, you just 20 50 60 90, 10

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Who ever designed this deserves to be killed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Looks like Vampire.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

someone should make lisp but with html syntax