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[–] [email protected] 190 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Apple: only implements a proprietary graphics API

Also Apple: Why does no one make games for my platform??

[–] mingistech 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Luckily it plays on Apple Silicon Macs beautifully through CrossOver. In the MacGaming sub users are getting 100+fps.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

It does, but Valve doesn't spend money in taking any responsibility over it. Also I presume anticheat might not work properly.

In any scenario, the translation layer has a performance impact which for any competitive player is something that makes Apple a no-go.

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[–] Molecular0079 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So...how long before Apple realizes that game devs are notoriously time-crunched and forcing them to target yet another proprietary graphics API is a stupid move for their gaming ambitions?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not convinced they'll ever realize the problem with their strategy. They'll keep half-assing it every couple of years and wondering why they don't have a larger gaming audience.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

It's because they're addicted to their walled gardens. Everything within Apple's ecosystem must be tightly overseen and controlled, with little exception.

[–] Molecular0079 26 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they keep trying to bring their walled-garden approach to gaming and it just won't work. It's like trying to build another console in the current gaming market and unrealistically expecting it to take off.

It's also why I think the Vision Pro, despite how cool and innovative the tech might be, is also DOA.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Was CS:GO available natively on Mac? If so, this is unfortunate news for the small subset of Mac users who played, since CS:GO is now no more.

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Available, yes. Playable, greatly depends on how much GPU you bought with your Mac.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s true for windows as well

[–] bfg9k 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't just chuck a 2080 in a Mac though

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[–] Voyajer 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cs:go could definitely run will enough on integrated graphics to play comp if your processor wasn't too anemic.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Damn Whoopie Goldberg gonna be so mad

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly? Kinda hate cs2. It runs worse (3080ti btw), most of my smoke grenades no longer work, they removed team deathmatch, they removed short competitive matches, and you can no longer play csgo. The more I play the less I'm a fan

[–] Molecular0079 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I get the feeling it was pushed out before everything was ready. I am willing to bet that all these missing features are coming later. Not sure why they didn't just wait before pushing out the game. The smokes are just different, players just need to adapt to new mechanics instead of using the same grenade tactics that they've memorized for years.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't CSGO CPU bound for the most part anyways?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It runs fine on my Linux laptop, which has a 3070.

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[–] PixxlMan 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think much missing stuff is going to be coming. I think they just didn't want to delay CS2 any longer. CSGO is still playable from the properties panel. You can enable a legacy CSGO mode. Not sure about matchmaking though.

On my 3060ti with max everything I always have over 200 fps, but yes, definitely not as fast as CSGO still. What fps are you getting?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I think everyone would rather development effort for games go into Linux as opposed to macOS.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a Mac user, I’m fine with this tbh. I don’t game on my Mac and most people I know with one don’t either.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow you guys hate apple more than I do and I really think they're overpriced but okay hard and software for people with other needs. The apple users I know don't really think about gaming at all, wondering how many seriously do.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The hatred has nothing to do with the products but the lack of participation in open standards like OpenGL or Vulkan.

Their products are incredibly well made (though I'd fuckin hope so given the pricing) and their software experience (barring the lack of good graphics API support) is quite nice.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It will probably work soon with that Windows compatibility thing apple is working on

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You mean repackaged Wine that they're pretending to have invented? Yeah should do.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Really just repackaged Proton, with some ridiculous install requirements including fucking Homebrew.

It's not even Alpha level software right now. But, just to argue their side: it is meant as a preview for game developers to package their games with right now, and not the general public.

Still... Fucking Homebrew.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The one that explicitly states in its license that you're not allowed to ship anything using it?

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[–] Molecular0079 7 points 1 year ago

It's meant more to help developers with their porting efforts though, not really meant for normal users like Valve's doing with Proton.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a Proton-like software for Mac?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wine is available for Mac, and Apple has started work on their game toolkit which was shown to run cyberpunk (albeit not well)

So yeah, but you're probably better off just dual booting asahi tbh.

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