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A Left source also suggested there was a "fear" that what happened to both Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott - suspended from the parliamentary party, and likely to be prevented from standing as Labour candidates - could happen to others.

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[–] Jackthelad 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cranks led Labour to its worst election defeat since the 1930s.

Frankly, they need to shut the fuck up for a while.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought Labour was supposed to be a broadchurch of ideas and principles? Or is that only when the right of the party is on the back foot and feel a bit unsure of their position?

[–] Jackthelad 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't such a broadchurch of ideas and principles in the Corbyn era, was it?

Ideological purity over any kind of common sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dunno, that first shadow cabinet had a decent spread, especially when you compare it to what we've got at the moment. Anything to the left of Ed Milliband has been forcibly removed from the front bench.

Corbyn wasn't a great leader, but the way in which certain factions within the party went after him from the word go is a stain on what is supposed to be a democratic institution.

[–] fluke 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the reason why we are so desperate for a AV/PR type system.

If we did then the different shades of each side could legitimately find their own place and voice.

Yes that means that you give a small voice to those you may not want to, but you also get a small voice yourself. That's democracy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Stating the obvious is hard for some to accept. Labour and the Tories are purely about protectionism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In her speech to Labour conference, shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves was cheered as she declared that "you can't tax and spend your way to growth".

Yet in the same venue, a little earlier, there was also a standing ovation for the leader of the Unite union Sharon Graham when she called for the party to be more bold and to take the energy companies back in to public ownership.

Mick Lynch, leader of the RMT union, addressed a fringe meeting this weekend and declared that he wouldn't be saying "this or that" about Keir Starmer as "we need to get the Tories out and that means getting him in".

And Richard Burgon, secretary of the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs, said he understood "how difficult it can be with the current leadership" but said: "Wouldn't it be fantastic to see all the Tories out, and Labour again get the keys to 10 Downing Street?"

The Labour to Win grouping, which got behind the Starmer leadership when he embarked on a journey away from the Corbyn era, have helped him grab control of many of the levers of power - including the ruling National Executive Committee.

But they feel Angela Rayner, who oversaw a robust workers' rights agenda, or Andy Burnham (were he to get a parliamentary seat) and who is re-regulating transport in Manchester, might be better placed to succeed than Rachel Reeves or Wes Streeting, as they are more acceptable to the unions.


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