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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)

1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here

Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.

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The only dangerous minority is the rich.

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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.

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[–] drekly 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a version with less pixels please? I can almost read it

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke 1 points 11 months ago

I hope you can read this

[–] ConstantPain 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Waging should not be the concern of children in a first world country.

[–] Phegan 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Waging should not be the concern of children.

[–] ConstantPain 2 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Children NOT being used for labor is a very recent phenomenon. It has nothing to do with the economic system of the country as the kids of rice farmers in Vietnam are harvesting rice just like the kids of rice farmers in North Carolina, USA are. Children not being used for labor is the results of automation and industrialization.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the US it was actually the great depression that got a child labor law passed. there had been attempts to get something passed before, even attempts rooted in racism, but it wasn't until everyone was out of work that everyone could agree maybe only adults should be working

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Your username is amazing. Never doubt your greatness.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Child labor is definitely not historically unique to capitalism, even in the modern era.

Stalin famously conscripted people into the labor reserve starting at 14 and the gulag system has plenty of history of child labor. And so on.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What's the difference between prison and a gulag? The same difference between an oligarch and a billionaire

Edit: holy shit it's like arguing with Colin Robinson don't bother

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Im not really sure how that has anything to do with my comment. You can't dunk on capitalism for child labor and then be like "it's ok if Stalin does it because capitalism does it." That invalidates the original dunk, no?

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know where you think I'm defending Stalin, I'm just pointing out, america uses juvenile detention centers for child labor as well. Gulags=prisons

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

You are the one who made a meme about capitalism and child labor?

[–] doublejay1999 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

“Children should be free to earn their own money if they want to”

Liberals

[–] nexguy 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Weird since it was liberals who pushed child labor laws in the first place. No one thinks this is new to capitalism.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the dumbest take I've seen in a while.
You seriously think liberals and capitalism are the only things that used child labor? Lol

[–] user_AW11 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Please consider this:

"lemonade stands" don't occur in other countries.

[–] HolyDiver 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they do though, but lemonade stands aren’t really child labour

[–] nexguy 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are usually for fun and no one makes them do it and they are not doing it to put food on the table. It's like playing grownup for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

for fun

Yeah. Even the adults are playing. (Please give adults and easy way to dump the lemonade. Often, we don't actually want to drink it.)

[–] 1847953620 2 points 11 months ago

I always thought they were actually cringey.