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Netflix Discs is going away, where will you rent/buy disc based media? (help.netflix.com)

submitted 1 year ago by undeadfoodsnob to c/[email protected]

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"On September 29th, 2023, we will ship out our final red envelope. It has been an honor to share movie nights with you. ...We sincerely thank you for joining us on this amazing journey of 25 years." -The Netflix DVD Team

With Netflix discs closing its doors on the 29th, where will you get your DVD's, Blu Rays and UHDs?

This raises a few questions for discussion:

What services do you use?
Whats your experience with any of these services?
What do you do with your physical media?

I know, I know, yes, its 2023 and people still get physical media. A physical disc can have many advantages over a streaming service, such as:

Control Over Content
Quality
Sound Profiles
Extras
Back Ups

Here is a list of popular Rental and Buy services:

Rent:

Buy (New):

Buy (Used):

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just a friendly reminder, your local library likely has a movie and video game section, it's worth having a look

[–] 7355608 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My local library has Monte Python and the quest for the Holy Grail, and the first season of the Simpsons.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you're set for life, mate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My local library has an awesome collection of VHS, they even started adding some DVDs the last few years. I suspect in a few more they may even have HD-DVD!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

What's more, DVD-RW drives for a desktop PC can be had for under $10 and USB-powered ones aren't much more. If anyone out there in TV land still relies on DVDs, you should get yourself a drive and rip your local library's DVDs to your computer. Handbrake is your friend and you can get a DVD down to a video stream with a much smaller file size than the disc image, but you can also still get blank DVDs at any major retailer and make your own copies with all the menus and special features. DVD still works, but it's 30-year-old technology and paying other people to watch the movies on that format is getting ridiculous, you owe it to yourself to keep DVD expenses to the drive and blank discs from here on out.

Disclaimer for the people who will whine about it: Yes, this copyright infringement. Don't snitch on yourself and you'll be fine. I personally recommend and fully endorse violation of copyright law in this way. I advocate that you commit this criminal activity in full knowledge that this makes me an accessory to crime, and I advocate that you commit this crime and others. I do so with the full approval of the MPA and RIAA, whom I unequivocally represent and speak for in absolutely all matters, and they assume all civil and criminal liability for everything I just said.

[–] undeadfoodsnob 12 points 1 year ago

This is a great suggestion!

Supporting your local library is always a pro move

[–] Nurse_Robot 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the high seas with my disc burner 🏴‍☠️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My bluray drive flashed with LibreDrive can't burn BD-Rs, at all. Maybe a coincidence with LibreDrive, but it sucks :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What services do you use?

Best Buy
Redbox
Amazon
eBay
My local library

Whats your experience with any of these services?

From least expensive to most expensive:

My local library is free to use, and they even have Blu-rays alongside DVDs, which is rare in my experience. However, their selection when it comes to Blu-rays pales in comparison to their entire shelves of DVDs, and they seem to favor DVDs. I sometimes donate a few Blu-rays to my library in order to get people to check them out.
Redbox is the cheapest way to legally own movies. Like my library, the Redbox kiosk I go to (and most Redboxes in general) seems to prioritize DVD over Blu-ray, which can be a bit disheartenig. You can rent a Blu-ray at Redbox for $2.99/night, or you can buy it for $4.99.
On eBay you can get some pretty good deals, though the condition of the disc may vary.
Amazon is great if you want to pre-order a DVD/Blu-ray and want it delivered on the same day it releases. But then you have to buy it from Amazon. I don't usually pre-order movies to be delivered to me anymore.
And finally there's Best Buy. If I want a newly-released disc, I'd rather go out of my way to drive all the way to the mall and buy the disc in-person at Best Buy than pre-order it from Amazon. The Best Buy near me is one of the few stores to still have a dedicated space for physical media, so I should feel grateful for that.

What do you do with your physical media?

Before I even put the discs in my player, I put them in my Blu-ray drive and make a backup with MakeMKV. If the keys to remove the DRM aren't available, I'll just torrent the BDMV. After the discs have been backed up, I watch them on my player.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the keys to remove the DRM aren't available, I'll just torrent the BDMV.

If you have the right model of blu ray drive you could patch the firmware with libredrive so you could decrypt the keys yourself. I set up my LG drive with it in like 10 min.

[–] silentknyght 3 points 1 year ago

I've never heard of this. Interesting!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

And finally there's Best Buy.

My local Best Buy actually got rid of the DVD and CD section. That made me realize I needed to get serious about converting my physical media to digital. I'm still building my Plex library.

Yes, I know about Jellyfin and Emby. If I'd heard about them first, I'd probably be using one of them. Plex was the first one I tried, and it works great for me.

[–] undeadfoodsnob 6 points 1 year ago

What services do you use?

As a rental service I have used gamefly and redbox. When buying media, I have used Amazon, Hamilton Books, HPB and Decluttr.

Whats your experience with any of these services?

Gamefly

Its, okay....

Long mailing times due to lack of shipping centers.

Library of movies is pretty good, but lacks many classics.

Low stock.

Good place for contemporary media.

Redbox

Harder to find in my area.

limited library.

Decluttr

This is hit or miss. I have only bought and never sold items here.

Large library of changing titles.

Since pricing is set by an end user, so prices can be amazing or down right insane. (no one is paying $100+ dollars for a used blu ray)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I hate having physical media personally. I just want files of everything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Amazon. They have used DVDs as well, and sometimes they get really cheap.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If you're in the UK Cinema Paridiso is a good service, similar to how lovefilm was back in the day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Mostly buy at Sanity or JB. I own several cubic metres of DVD and Bueray. But libraries have great stock, and don't cost to join.

[+] [email protected] -26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

you don't, cuz why tf would you do that

it's objectively obsolete lol

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Because tons of media that was never properly digitized for the streaming era and only ever ended up on discs.

Doing it now will prevent a loss of history, much like early BBC recordings are lost because they would just tape over old broadcasts to save money.

For example, there was recently unearthed a single episode of a sketch comedy show made by Graham Chapman and Douglas Adams.

Problem was, the tape it was on was from the formats before VHS and Betamax. While the tape existed, no players to play back the tape existed anymore. It took a several year effort to build a new player from scratch. Finally, after all that, they were able to record the show to digital media and now it lives on YouTube for people to see. It's not the funniest material ever produced by either man, but it's definitely a piece of history worth looking at if you've ever enjoyed Monty Python or The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Attempts to digitize things that are currently available on disc but not available in digital file formats/streaming is absolutely a process of maintaining historical documents that would otherwise be lost to time. Building a new DVD or Bluray player from scratch when none exist anymore is a much bigger effort than making a tape video player, because it involves proprietary codecs, compression, and DRM.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So, I let others archive those and have digital versions of content I want. I get the appeal of discs, but I also get appeal of no discs (I'm in the latter camp)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

a single episode of a sketch comedy show made by Graham Chapman and Douglas Adams.

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool and all, but that also has nothing to do with this. If these services are renting/selling CDs, they've already been digitalized.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It, quite literally, has everything to do with this.

But keep pretending it doesn't and like you know better without actually presenting any argument of your own.

I'm sure that will work out for you. /s

[+] [email protected] -8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You just replied to an argument of my own, nor did you say why it's wrong. It literally has nothing to do with it, and it still doesn't. If they sell it, it's already digitalized. That's all you need to realize that what you're saying completely falls flat. Reread that simple comment again, and apparently this one as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They're digitized to very specific formats that are proprietary, and once the devices that play them cease to exist, so does the data contained on them.

Digitizing them into a file format (which if you actually read the initial comment, would have noticed that I specified this) that is open, available, and easily transferable between a multitude of digital devices is a different issue.

EDIT: I went back and bolded it for you, since you seem to struggle with reading comprehension.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

elaborate on how these sites sell CDs that are apparently impossible to digitalize as standard video formats, because that doesn't sound true at all

edit: yeah that's what I thought, maybe he realized on the third reply he completely misread the entire chain. Blocks me then continues to reply and edit all his comments lol. Very sane and definitely not emotional.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because I didn't say that. Once again, your lack of reading comprehension rears its ugly head.

EDIT: it's interesting that they think I blocked them. Is that what they wanted?

Very sane and definitely not emotional.

I'm gonna go with projection here. It's not like they can't see when I made my edits.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Japan, a large part of the digital manga/anime/videogames are still being released only on CDs/DVDs, no online access.

[–] undeadfoodsnob 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I sadly see a lot of doom and gloom on the horizon when it comes to streaming services as a whole. Prices will increase, Ads will become common place and limitations on how and when you view your content (Hardware exclusivity for example).

Additionally, as others mentioned some media will just be lost to the ages. Many movies and shows will likely never come to a streaming service and are lost to time. Kevin Smiths Dogma for example will likely never come to a streaming service.

Archiving and backing up a DVD, Blu Ray or UHD can be very valuable to a user even today. I run a personal JellyFin with over 1000 movie titles. Having instant access to a library like this can not compare to any streaming service in size or quality and it has zero subscription fees.

But each to their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because not everyone has gigabit fiber run to their door. Streaming is not always the answer. I have read through all the back and forth here, but this is the point that was lost in the conversation. While it may be obsolete to you, it's still the easiest way to transfer large amounts of data to someone that might not have any internet other than their cell phone service.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why do these replies assume that streaming is the only other option lol. The emotional circlejerk is strong here. Digital formats are just better now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Not sure what you mean. You said disc based media is obsolete, and I explained why it isn't. I am not arguing about digital vs analog here. I am explaining why a form of digital media is still in use.

[–] andrewta 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I don't buy or rent a physical disc and I don't stream the movie exactly how would I watch the movie?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You download from internet or lan , or you can get from usb

[–] andrewta 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The USB isn't really a realistic option for a lot of people. As for downloading basically same problem as streaming, need a decent internet connection..

My dad,with where he lives, the internet is so slow if he wanted to download a movie, it would take so long that by the time it would download he would no longer care to watch the movie..

Which means he would have to find someone with decent internet, go to their house, download it. Then go home and play it. Again this isn't an option for a lot of people. Including my dad.

For a lot of people renting or buying a disc is really the only option to watch a movie.

Some areas have even worse internet or none at all. To be able to reliably watch a movie means having the physical disc. Yeah they could get a data file and hold it like they do a physical disc just on a hard drive. But drives die a lot faster then a disc does. Plus they have to continously find someone to use their internet. Driving into town and going to best buy or Walmart it many times more efficient.

If you prefer digital files compared physical disc great go for it but for a lot of people it just isn't real

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk if you've heard in oppressive countries, but USBs filled with media is like a currency.

https://www.unilad.com/news/usb-bottles-north-korea-kim-jongun-158902-20221206

There's similar stuff in India too. There was a campaign that sent a bunch of balloons over to north Korea with USB sticks and a ton of American movies on them.

So they are definitely realistically used in a lot of places and can be reused.

[–] andrewta 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK so in the US in the example I gave where would my dad to to legally aquire and download the movie?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I'm just telling you that USBs are very much used as trading media in the real world, more so then you think. I don't care about your dad lol. What is the point of this days old discussion right now, I don't really care anymore

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

CDs, DVDs and Blu-Ray discs are all digital formats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re not necessarily wrong, but you are unbearable.

Just because a technology has been eclipsed, it doesn’t mean it no longer has value.

Optical media is really the best choice for data archival. Magnetic media is far more subject to big rot. High quality CDs, DVDs and to a lesser extent Blu-ray Discs can last an order of magnitude longer.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Data redundancy exists, and tape backups is a completely different technology then CDs/DVDs/Blueray/etc, which is what this topic is about. Then I should be an easy block for you.