If DeSantis is the best we got, we fucked
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Almost all of the replies I see there are from the Left. It's ironic considering the topic of the video, and considering Musk's impact on twitter. I'd go spend the next four hours balancing out the responses if I had the time and energy for it. I find it exhausting. The vast majority of normal American adults are sick of woke politics, but the internet sure does amplify the volume of vocal minorities. #RD24!
woke
What does that actually mean though?
I think one thing he is trying to communicate to Republican primary voters is that Trump cannot possible win the general election in 2024, so it is time to move on.
You'll surely get different definitions if you ask different people, but I think that's okay, more or less. Because in general, Americans are sick of it, and DeSantis stands against it.
The precise definition is similarly unimportant with any divisive topic. That's an inadequate standard for academic research, but we're talking about voting for politicians here. It's okay to accept ambiguity.
Ok, ambiguity aside what does it mean? Why is it bad?
Woke is shorthand for the neo-marxist program to destroy western civilization. It pretends people are group-members instead of individuals. While classical Marxism did the same thing, grouping people into the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, neo-marxism divides people into various identity groups, mostly involving acts of disgustingly perverted sexual immorality, superficial skin color, and religious affiliation. Traditional American values are discarded by the woke worldview. Just as classical Marxism claimed that normal well-adjusted people who'd been successful at earning their own living were somehow "bad", woke neo-marxism claims that any normal person is bad. That means its practitioners openly discriminate against conservative white Christian men, especially if they practice heterosexual behavior in a traditional marriage. Woke manifests as DEI, BLM, and ESG. It involves indoctrinating children to believe God makes mistakes, and that kids should dismiss God and follow Satan to whatever pleasures of the flesh and disgusting perversions of morality they can imagine. Some of the current woke activities most celebrated by its practitioners include genital mutilation of children without their parents knowledge and slaughtering innocent human beings before birth. The woke eschew traditional families, traditional behavior, and traditional values. They are steadily working to dismantle western civilization, aka Christendom. Basically it's Satan's work in advance of the Rapture, and it's well documented in quite a bit of detail in end-times scripture. I hope that satisfactorily answers your questions.
I hope that satisfactorily answers your questions.
It's a bit all over the place, but it's at least something.
How do you know that this is accurate?
How does anyone know anything is accurate? It's my personal attempt to summarize a huge topic based on my personal experience. YMMV.
How does anyone know anything is accurate?
Evidence
Evidence is nothing more than someone's best assessment of their sensory data. Truth comes from God, and we know that from faith, which is stronger than any evidence based belief. All in all, we speak what we believe to be true, and it's not a great use of your time to question that.
Wow. I mean. I'm honestly not surprised at how mask off this comment is, but I never thought one of you would be so explicit that you don't actually care about what's true or not. I almost don't believe you're not trolling
I'm not trolling you, but it sounds like you grossly misunderstood me, which is my fault for not communicating better. Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that. I'll try to explain what I meant.
I stand behind my definition of "woke", as it is what I believe to be true based on mountains of evidence over the years. That evidence is readily available pretty much everywhere you look online, unless you bury your head in leftist echo chambers. Also when you go to church and talk with your neighbors, assuming you live in a relatively normal American small town, it is one of the main topics of conversation, and has been for a long time.
That being said, everything I just wrote in the last paragraph is anecdotal based on my personal experience. Other normal conservatives may agree with my definition of "woke", yet if you were to ask them for their own it obviously wouldn't be verbatim what I wrote. Moreover if you do bury your head in leftist echo chambers, live in an urban hell-hole, and never go to church or talk with normal people, you might be completely out of touch with reality. You might think "woke" is somehow a good thing, and that perception would be your evidence, based on your personal experience.
I said you grossly misunderstood me because you said I don't care about truth, which is false. I care deeply about truth, more than anything. When we talk about truth, we talk about God. Jesus told us that he is the way, the truth, and the life. Everything we know to be true comes from God. As for evidence, we find abundant evidence of God's handiwork everywhere we look, and especially in our hearts. But despite that evidence, we trust in God out of faith, because faith trumps evidence every single time. Evidence is just a personal interpretation of sensory data, whereas faith gives us direct access to the truth that is God.
I certainly know how to have fun trolling on rare occasion when the mood strikes, but no, none of what I've written here is trolling.
Can you point to me self identified neo-marxists. Marxist love writing about theory so surely one of these neo-marxists have written extensively about their ideology.
As a conservative, I cannot. I assume you are a conservative too, seeing as how this is m/conservative. I can tell you far more about people who self-identify as conservatives than I can about leftists.
That being said, I can tell you what makes neo-marxist theory. Wait, I already typed it out above, in the comment starting with:
Woke is shorthand for the neo-marxist program to destroy western civilization.
That's a relatively short comment, but suffice to say all of the high-level goals of traditional Marxism have carried over into neo-Marxism.
Are there leftist authors writing about it? Probably, but that's not the sort of thing I read.
I assume you are a conservative too, seeing as how this is m/conservative.
Is this an echo chamber? Or are discussions allowed? I'm a marxist, firm belief that democratic centralism in unions, political party and government (in that order) are foundational in fixing our economic imbalances.
I do alot of reading, my wife does more. Prominent authors both from history and Marxists applying theory to the material reality of modern times. Everything you have said 1) I have never seen or 2) is completely fabricated.
Of course I don't go to church. I'd rather not get raped. You trust in God because you can't think for yourself and have to be scared and beaten in to submission, and then you ask for more. So keep with your "faith" and I'll stick with my evidence and truth.
Wow, no. What? How is it possible to get so much wrong using so few words? Everything you just wrote is 100% incorrect. Now I have to wonder if you're the one trolling. What are you doing in m/conservative? I trust in God because He created us, including you, and He loves us, including you, and His glory permeates all of creation, including you. He teaches us to be humble, and to that end you may heal once you admit to yourself that you know nothing, and open your heart to Jesus so He can forgive you, and save you. You may be plagued by demons now, but there is absolutely hope for you to find love and fill the vast emptiness in your life.
I trust in God because He created us
No he didn't. You were just told this and believe it because you can't think for yourself. I mean, this is 2023. We have so much info that you're willfully blind to it's honestly almost funny.
Now I'm even more convinced you're trolling. No one can honestly be familiar enough with the internet to be on lemmy but so deluded to believe any of that.
If nothing else, I ask that you please accept my word that I'm not trolling.
What I believe in is the truth. I respect that you disagree with me, and that I seem naive to you. Yet I also believe you'll eventually realize my beliefs are true, after all. Whether that happens before or after you pass from this world is in your hands.
assuming you live in a relatively normal American small town, it is one of the main topics of conversation, and has been for a long time.
And that's an incredibly biased source. Small american towns are overwhelmingly conservative spaces, but they are not the place where the majority of people live and have conversations. 80% of the population lives in urban areas:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/urban-rural-populations.html
live in an urban hell-hole
I live maybe 5 minutes away from the downtown area of my ~300k pop city. It doesn't seem to be a hell-hole to me unless you're talking about the housing prices.
and never go to church or talk with normal people
What is a "normal" person to you?
but they are not the place where the majority of people live and have conversations. 80% of the population lives in urban areas:
This is m/conservative, so it's a safe bet that everyone here either lives in an American small town or someplace culturally similar. If you're not a conservative, you're in the wrong place.
It doesn't seem to be a hell-hole to me
If you're surrounded by atheists and evil-doers who think morality is relative, you're in a hell-hole and you don't even know it. If you go outside and see more concrete and man-made structures than God's handiwork, then you're in an urban hell-hole. You may be used to it, and you may love it there. You may think it's not a hell-hole, and well, that's quite a pejorative phrase I'm using, and it's hyperbolic. But compared to God's country, every city I've been to (quite a few) fits well into that description. The type of people who live there tend to reject God and thereby embrace evil.
What is a "normal" person to you?
People who see themselves as normal, despite the personal quirks we all have. People who care about God, family, and country, in that order, above all else. A man who works for a living married to a woman who raises their family, who pray together, and who have zero interest in the constant bombardment of leftist ideology. If their kids are in public school, they worry constantly about indoctrination. People who are broadly traditional, living as we've always lived, more or less, according to God's plan.
If you’re surrounded by atheists and evil-doers who think morality is relative
Why do you think atheists/moral relativists are evil?
If you go outside and see more concrete and man-made structures than God’s handiwork, then you’re in an urban hell-hole.
Not all urban spaces are terrible. Urban areas are far better for the environment due to reduced need for resources per capita and when done correctly are no worse from a mental health standpoint. We can and should have urban places built in harmony with nature.
But compared to God’s country, every city I’ve been to (quite a few) fits well into that description.
I've lived in both and I don't think you're correct.
People who see themselves as normal, despite the personal quirks we all have. People who care about God, family, and country, in that order, above all else. A man who works for a living married to a woman who raises their family, who pray together, and who have zero interest in the constant bombardment of leftist ideology. If their kids are in public school, they worry constantly about indoctrination. People who are broadly traditional, living as we’ve always lived, more or less, according to God’s plan.
How can that be considered normal when a minority of people throughout history/today have lived that way?
Truth comes from God
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you're talking about the christian god.
Anyways, if that's the case, that truth comes from god, then how come there are thousands of denominations of christianity?
Good guess that I was referring to the one true living God! It sure is easy to communicate with fellow conservatives, but it's awfully suspicious to read those disrespectful minuscules.
I'm sure you're familiar with the Tower of Babel, which answers that question about divisions. However, all of the denominations (with extremely rare exception) agree on the essentials of Christianity.
which answers that question about divisions.
Actually that just raises more questions, because the divisions from the tower of babel were caused by god, which is at odds with this idea of yours that truth comes from god.
However, all of the denominations (with extremely rare exception) agree on the essentials of Christianity.
I would disagree they agree on the essentials. There is disagreement over how people are saved, what the afterlife looks like, how to interpret the bible, what passages are metaphorical/literal, and then you get to the concept of sin. Every denomination has a different opinion on what things are sins and what things aren't.
Why does this all happen if they are all supposedly getting their info from the same source?
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