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Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism:

The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.

For the still meme confused: Survivorship bias

(Stolen from @[email protected])

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The country with over 20% of the world's prison population and a highly militarised police force that routinely carries out extrajudicial killings of ethnic minorities is not ever described as "authoritarian". Somehow.

[–] Viking_Hippie 36 points 1 year ago

At least they managed to become the 24th-least corrupt country..by legalizing all but the most blatantly declared bribes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Having military bases all around the world is not authoritharian somehow either.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The US runs a system of 40+ slave labor camps, and have over 30k ppl in immigrant prison camps most of whom haven't committed a crime, but it's not authoritarian!!!

[–] Ya_Boy_Skinny_Penis 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's how bad it is in actual authoritarian countries . . .

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this bit extends to western marxism too

[–] galloog1 8 points 1 year ago

They address this consistently and in their original texts. They start authoritarian to ensure a smooth transition as capitalism can take advantage of smaller communes. Once everyone is converted they then decentralize. Trust me bro, it'll work this time. /S

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

why are people downvoting this?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps because they take exception to characterizing all of the Actually Existing Socialisms as “authoritarian” in the first place, and I’d agree with them. It leans into “horseshoe theory” and the anticommunist Western Left’s conceptualization of “totalitarianism.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

perhaps they think you can vote imperialism away

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Because they're brats with no ability to self reflect and be realistic

[–] SaakoPaahtaa 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bro please lets try communism one more time bro please I promise it will be different this time bro no I wont camp all lgbtq and genocide an entire ethnic minority bro I've changed

[–] bouh 3 points 1 year ago

Are you talking about the US there? Or 1930 Germany maybe? Or about any western country in early 20th century?

[–] CluckN 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Erm pushes up glasses that wasn’t real communism.

[–] NightAuthor 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, maybe we can do it better next time. We know more than ever what not to do.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great ideology when you have to be specifically taught to not systematically murder homosexuals and ethnic minorities. Reminds me of this other ideology what's it called?

[–] NightAuthor 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Christianity? Oh wait, they’re not taught against but rather towards hate and murder of homosexuals and minorities.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an example sure, but that wasn't quite the thing I was referring to mate

[–] NightAuthor 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol, obviously it was the whole “every internet argument will come down to nazis if it goes on long enough bit”.

Just also pointing out that humans generally tend towards hatred and violence of any kind of “other” under most forms of civilization / community.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa 1 points 1 year ago

It's just that fascists like nazis and commies tend to do it more often than normal people

[–] Ya_Boy_Skinny_Penis -1 points 1 year ago

Ackshually there is a more peaceful communism that will totally work once everyone universally adopts it and never changes their mind or exploits its multiple inherent flaws.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

See the wiki page I linked to: Survivorship bias

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

the TLDR version; in WWII the Americans would look at bombers that returned to base after doing flight missions, and decided based on their damage where to add armour to future bombers. I.E. they looked at surviving planes to decide how to better protect planes, instead of looking at crashed ones.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Two words: Human factor.