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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

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Say Their Names

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope Internal Affairs must finish investigating it. He likely wasn't the only one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hear me out, my line of thinking is this:

ACAB. Yes, all. Why? Because if there's a good cop they get pressured, persecuted, etc. What's a great way to discredit someone? Say they're a pedophile.

The cops say it's a suicide...

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 6 points 1 year ago

Police should be held to account by independent oversight, but we both know the police unions would refuse. They'd probably be happy to resort to force over it, but hardly even need to given their political clout and spending in politics.

[–] malloc 21 points 1 year ago

The trash is taking itself out.

[–] Bdtrngl 19 points 1 year ago

Oh no! Anyways

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Fucking coward.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel bad for him but worse for his victims.

The only winners here are the children he won't assault because he's 6 feet under.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't feel bad for him at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I feel bad for any senseless loss of life. If he was truly sorry he should have faced the music instead of taking the easy out.

Suicide is the ultimate "make it somebody else's problem" solution to your problems.

It solves nothing and ensures that everyone you ever met will be a little worse off when they think of you for the rest of their lives.

So I feel bad for him that he took the cowards way out.

I feel worse for his victims for being his victims in the first place but now also that they'll never get a full measure of their true justice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

He did solve something though. Now there's one less cop out on the streets commiting crimes and ruining people's lives.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

He deserved worse.

[–] jenniebuckley 3 points 1 year ago