Don't forget that it's the far-right. They are extreme demagogues, they will easily backtrack on any policy they currently defend.
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that is incredibility dangerous. i watch a guy that consistently says that the european fascists are the nationalism vanguard, criticizing the war and so on, while the progressive field (moderate right to lib left) gave up completely on nationalism are uncritically supporting every bs usa puts then to, like supporting the war while european economy goes to shit.
now im seeing his claims be confirmed.
Somehow I knew what this post was going to say before I even read it.
It's been like this ever since the First World War, especially now. It is the right-wing—not the left-wing—that is interested in economic self-sufficiency and derailing away from the transatlantic partnership. This is the case, especially in Germany, where many people are upset with the transatlantic status quo and are voting for parties, like the Alternative for Germany (AfD), instead.
Ironically, AfD is still pro-NATO and pro-transatlantic partnership.
I thought that AfD is rapidly gaining popularity among the masses because the party calls for a more independent foreign policy away from NATO, such as re-strengthening relationships with Russia and China, as well as distancing Germany from the US. Please excuse me if I am mistaken.
perhaps there's still a little hope left with Bij1 if Rebekka takes over. they were the only ones alongside Forum to vote in favour of a motion for independent inquiry into the Nord Stream 2 attacks. however a couple months later they did vote in favour of declaring the soviet famine a genocide so I wouldn't put that much money on them being sufficient anytime soon.
Western "left" Has no hope left. They have gone too far with identity politics and have purged anti imperialist Marxist people long time back. According to them LGBT politics is the litmus test for morally right or wrong. I didn't see a single European commie party to condemn the action of NATO and Ukrainian government shelling of Donbass, maybe KKE did but it's their usual trope to conflate Nazism with Russia government or "both side imperialists " . They should pack up from politics because they have become irrelevant. Meanwhile European right got all the major talking points, atleast for the sake of election they will say they are anti NATO or anti EU , nowadays AFD of Germany is also saying that they want to do business with China 🇨🇳. I think most NATO left and pro EU parties will be dead within 2 years with large recession incoming and with energy shortage
According to them LGBT politics is the litmus test for morally right or wrong
i mean, kind of? yes? but it's not like be all end all either. supporting queer rights and being anti-imperialist aren't mutually exclusive. i don't get why they don't understand this.
LGBT program with neoliberalism is always a failure , your cannot NGOize LGBT agenda then support neo liberalism in Eastern E./W.Europe . That's EU left is all about. Obviously pro LGBT is good but hey why in Moldova the older and middle aged population are pro Russia and pro USSR and are against LGBT thing. It is not simply they hate LGBT (obviously older people do) but they associate LGBT with pro neoliberal parties that's the problem .
what do you mean by "LGBT agenda" then? because that's reich-wing language you're using.
also, no one said anything about NGOizing queer rights or combining it with neoliberalism - i was talking about the western left/commie parties.
but they associate LGBT with pro neoliberal parties that’s the problem .
religious bias can also come to play. orthochristians especially aren't known to be the most supportive when it comes to queer rights. i swear, there's probably like 1 progressive orthochristians for every 100,000 progressive muslims, that's how fucking reactionary it comes off as.
Aaaah sorry i am not from an anglophone country like you and English isn't my first language and i dont care what you western anglo "leftists" have to say about me. If that's your attitude towards other comrades then you should quit blabbering about Marxism and get ready to annihilated by the 3rd worldies. I have never seen Muslims speaking positively about western LGBT movement and believe me I have met enough common Muslims in my country. But for you it doesn't matter I guess... You live in your own bubble
Whatever, I don't have neither time and energy to spend with an inobservant, stupid piece of shit infiltrator like you. All I will say is this: If you've been even remotely observant, you'll notice that I literally come from the fucking Global South - same place where you're from. Matter of fact, I still am in a global southern country; and neither is English my first language. Sorry that not everyone in the global south behaves and acts in the exact same fucking manner as you do, that is being a dogmatic, bigoted goddamn reactionary that wants to "annhilate" all queer people.
Not a single thing you've listed is in any way shape or form related to our argument. But then again, reactionaries like you weren't born with a brain, but a fucking projector.
About Muslims: You haven't met shit. I personally know some muslims who are all in on queer rights. Also, "Western LGBT Movement" lmao, goes to show you how well you know about Queer History. Westerners have been the ones to kill off queer culture in the global south in the past, sweetie.
Also, today I learnt Marxism is when you dominate GSRM people. Good to know. I fucking knew I shouldn't have tried to maintain a facade of nice and civility when dealing with scum like you. At this point I'm convinced anyone who's even remotely critical of queer movements and rights in any way shape or form is a fucking reactionary infiltrator hiding behind a cover. So thank you so much for showing me the light. Do all of us a favor and never show your filthy fash-bootlicking fucking face here ever again.
Scratch a "critic of queer rights" and a reactionary shows his face. So much for me "living in my own bubble".
I strongly doubt you come from a global South country and even it is... It had nothing to do with any credible left wing movement. Scratch a LBGT critique.. Oh sorry am I suppose to cheer for LGBT banners with long live Azov and all that shit or queer right wingers . It's pretty hilarious I haven't said anything offensive to LGBT people and from a few lines you got the idea that I am a "reactionary". Queer culture in global South is very different from place to place. It's not always rosy and it was not always rosy. Don't just assume you speak for global South or anything close to it. You know nothing, not even a bit of people in global South. You are entitled to your own convincing. It's not that I am eager to convince you of something. But yeah I am also convinced people like you can never ever build a proper movement or a communist party for that matter. Just go on be in your bubble, who cares what you think.
Note : I know some "muslims ".. there it is... I know some muslims then majority muslims in my country will be pro LGBT. Seriously what kind of bubble do you live in? Haha
I think they mainly took offense to your use of "LGBT Agenda" which is a very common far right and reactionary dogwhistle. I don't know if you meant it in that way but a lot of people on here are queer, and it can be pretty offensive to go slinging that stuff around. Simple clarification on what you meant when you said that was all that was needed, not a shit slinging contest.
I go by she/her. That feeling when you literally put out your pronouns but people still they/them you.
I’m not the person you’re replying to, and I don’t mean any offense, but isn’t it pretty general form to interchangeably refer to people as they/them in conversations when referring to that person non-directly no matter the pronouns? Unless they directly tell you to not do that and you keep doing it of course.
But something kind of like, “Oh, they left their phone here”, “I should ask them what they think”, “I think they’re opinion is different”.
Again, I apologize and I don’t mean any offense, but I’ve had the question for a while and it would be nice to clear it up to not make a mistake if I’ve been making one.
I apologize, I didn't see your name, mainly just read your comment. It's a force of habit for me online to use "they" for anyone online. I don't mean to use "they" as an assumption of one's gender or preferred pronoun, its just force of habit grammatically in my speech where I am from. Although I must admit it's a little sad that when I try and educate someone on their own reactionary terminology I myself end up on the receiving end. Shows everyone's got something to learn.
It is definitely infuriating that the mainstream queer movement has been hijacked by liberals but the queer community is not to blame for this.
When did I blame that? Did you see me blaming them? I am talking about a political program here.
You are hyperfocusing on the queer part, you mention it 6 times ffs.
Is the queer word prohibited in the western culture? I didn't know that. Lol...
That’s not what they’re focusing on. They’re talking about how your views of the LGBT community are comparable to those of fascist, and you’ve been belittling and insulting people the whole thread.
Also yes, when a person weirdly uses queer 6 times in a bizarre post, that looks very similar to what reactionaries do, because they use it as a slur.
The only reason those peace talks, political asylum and removal from EU and NATO are in their program is because Russia finances that party lmao. They just care about their bank accounts getting filled.
https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/baudet-verwijst-in-apps-naar-russische-betalingen
It's not a coincidence that this party has ideas that would benefit Russia.
This reeks of the *Russian shill *crap that online teens accuse people of when they're making excuses for fascist Ukraine. Leaving the EU and NATO are rational this to do that would benefit everyone who didn't want to be nuked for American interests.