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Wagner mercenary chief calls for armed rebellion against Russian military leadership
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Bro what the fuck is going on right now lmao
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The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group appears to be threatening an armed rebellion against Russia's military leadership, after accusing it of deliberately shelling his forces on Friday. Prigozhin published a shaky video on Friday that showed a shattered group of trees and a burning trench, claiming it was a Wagner camp shelled by Russian troops and alleging many Wagner troops were killed. Gen. Sergey Surovikin, a senior Russian general who has been linked with Prigozhin, gave a video address calling on Wagner fighters to stop their rebellion and turn back. Wagner chief says Russian invasion based on lies The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said the Kremlin's justifications for its invasion of Ukraine are based on lies, in another extraordinary attack on the country's military and political leadership. Prigozhin lambasted Russia's military leadership for the huge casualties its troops have suffered.
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The folks in the Ukraine sublemmy are following this very closely, and say the fighting has started.
There have been unconfirmed videos show a convoy and small arms fire supposedly in Rostov just outside where the Southern Military command is.
https://nitter.net/Stanovaya/status/1672360894515363841#m
https://nitter.net/Stanovaya/status/1672371087005417472#m
This made me laugh
https://nitter.net/bluenicks_99/status/1672402676074643457#m
no JavaScript so have to click to play video
have to click to play video.
I despise auto-play, even on YouTube.
I despise auto-play, especially on YouTube. Let me advance when I feel like. Not everything is a party music playlist!
Can you point me towards me a brief overview of Rostov, whose territory it's in, and its strategic importance? I've mostly been following the geopolitics of the war and not the actual fronts/troop movements except at a very very high level.
Rostov is In Russia a border city Rostov is east of Mariupol Ukraine. it being a border city strategically it's logistic point, it's very far from the front, a disruption here could potentially assist Ukraine in wearing down points at the front this may sow chaos in Russian command,break morale.
So I wish I could, maybe ISW ? I’ve been reading their daily updates for a year now, and just absorbed a lot. Dmitri@ war translated is good. There are also some good substacks.
ISW: https://www.understandingwar.org/
This is a retired Aus general, great info. https://open.substack.com/pub/mickryan/p/prigozhin-crosses-the-rubicon
Also Phillip O’Brien Substack and Andrews substack, literally their name I believe.
Also this lady https://nitter.net/Stanovaya
Wiki Rostov on Don
And Ftten had a good summary.
This is even better then Zuck vs Musk. Hopefully it amounts to something.
Much
On that note, despite the rumored cancer and the 19 year age difference, I'm pretty sure Putin could destroy Musk in a cage match.
Putins chef be lighting fires allll over Russia.
Hope Ukraine can make hay of the chaos.
Yeh, now is the time for the offensive if Wagner pulls back.
This is crazy. Perhaps a moment of self reflection? I am very interested to see where this goes. Somethings gotta give. I'd feel, in my bones, that I was dying for nothing, if I was a Russian soldier. Then I look around and realize everyone feels the same and we have guns and military equipment. Maybe it'll spark something larger.
Holy shit. This is big.
I don't imagine another fascist being on the throne helps, is there a positive outcome from this? Maybe it will greatly hinder their war effort?
I think the biggest gain is simply that this guy and likely any other Putin replacement would end the war in Ukraine, because they know it's a waste of lives, money, and reputation. It's hard to be worse than Putin at this point. And heck, even with Putin still on the "throne", it could give Putin the excuse his cowardly ass needs to back out of the war.
He's not anti Putin, he's anti the Russian military
I wonder how much of this stems from that announcement a few weeks back that Wagner was going to be subordinated to the MoD? I haven't heard anything about it since it was announced (since my main source of information was that front page of the internet which just descended into its own civil war...) From vague recollection, Prigozhin said he was refusing to sign any contracts formalising such arrangements but Putin was backing the defence minister Shoigu on this one, to presumably try and rein in Wagner a bit and keep the game of musical chairs going as Putin's underlings all vied for influence without anyone being the clear heir apparent.
Looks like it may have backfired spectacularly if so, because Prigozhin had to have known it would have meant his end if he'd accepted Shoigu's control, and, as Sun-Tzu warns, a cornered animal (or army) with no way out will fight to the death.
Sounds like he's building (or supporting the building of) a case for popular, military backed opposition to the war
My wild speculation is that Prigozhin marches in with token resistance, arrests Shoigu and reveals to Putin the deceit from the MoD, before taking his place at Putin's side. He's avoided being critical of Putin and says lies from the MoD are the reason for the war. Shoigu is the scapegoat.
"Three Day Special Operation, comrade. Nazhdarovia."
Rob Lee is collecting a number of videos of the situation on Twitter.