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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

"Antifascism? That's literally fascism"

A phrase spoken only by fascists

For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing, ultra-nationalist, centralized autocracy, belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy, and politically motivated threats of physical violence

Hey wait a second, one of the political parties in the US fits all those descriptions...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Boiled down, fascism is the belief that one group of humans is inherently better than another and as such should reign superior or wipe anyone out that resists. Could be motivated by racial, political or religious beliefs. In the US, it seems like all of those come together.

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[–] AstridWipenaugh 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Paradox of Tolerance

Philosopher Karl Popper described the paradox of tolerance as the seemingly counterintuitive idea that “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” Essentially, if a so-called tolerant society permits the existence of intolerant philosophies, it is no longer tolerant.

TL;DR punch a nazi

[–] electrogamerman 8 points 1 year ago

Love this. Down with fascism!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Hitler lost at the market place of ideas.

Fact.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

"All political violence = fascism" 🤡

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Fascism is when you commit violence against fascism. Which is bad because fascism isn't violent. Wait a minute...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how we defeated fascism

I must admit I read "defederated".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

If only it was that easy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

The "Free Market of Ideas" is just "Heads I win, Tails you lose" by another name

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, there was also this raping and marauding red army led by one of the biggest assholes of modern history west allied with.

That said beating fash of any flavor is always self defense.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the worst things hitler did was make stalin look even vaguely sane or competent by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as you're not literally the worst you kind of get a pass in human culture.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That's hyperbole. Stalin got a pass back then strictly out of necessity in the ongoing war against the Axis powers. However that didn't mean people thought he was a good guy then, and neither does anyone but tankies nowadays either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I will defeat fascism in the Marketplace of Ideas... after I defeat them on planet fucking earth, that is.

[–] boatsnhos931 6 points 1 year ago

Baseball really does bring people together but I'd bring a gun in case things go south young Padawan

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Should be an assault rifle.

God knows the fascists will have em

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't buy it. There is a really big difference between a nation fighting an existential war with a military, and performative, mostly nonlethal, vigilante political violence. The latter is useful to fascists for obvious reasons; the experience of violence is at the core of their ideology, they have a clear path for using the trauma for hazing and indoctrination, it attracts attention, it attracts potential sympathy for the same reason it may serve the goals of nonviolent protestors to have violence seen being done to them in the course of their protest.

Trying to engage with them this way seems like it would clearly advance their goals more than it would harm them. How could it do otherwise? Do people think activists respond to light beatings by becoming dissuaded from their activism? I feel like this kind of messaging is pushed either by fascists themselves or by people with goals aligned with fascists, like involving more people in violence and bringing the overall political climate closer to a civil war situation.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, nothing is ever enough for fascists. You can be as peaceful with them as possible and they'll still try to kill you. We had a democratic election in the US in 2020 and when the fascists lost they tried to do a violent coup. How much more peaceful can we be? It's really unfortunate but I think the reality is that fascists only understand power and violence and ultimately you need to throw that all back at them as hard as you can and send them into hiding. The minorities the fash hate will be targeted by them and violence WILL happen against them even if you protest them as peacefully and legally as possible. Minorities deserve to live in peace and security without "paying the cost" of keeping things civil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

fascists only understand power and violence

Maybe, but the question is how do they understand it? You hit one of those people, how do they interpret and react to that? I don't think it's the way you would want them to. I think there is a threshhold for the level of violence at which terrorism actually works, and that threshhold is way past the point where things get really fucking dark. So you either go there, or you look for better options with fewer side effects, because in this case I think low level violence is clearly going to advance their cause rather than harm it. As for what those other options might be, I don't exactly know, I'm not saying they have to be nice or polite or peaceful, just thought through a little better than advocating casual brawls.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's just a meme

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