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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Misleading title. From the article itself:

The president was reportedly responding to a proposal by far-right leader Jordan Bardella, who was suggesting France switch to a single seven-year presidential term.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

French here, he was speaking about his own terms, his entourage is defending it as "Ahah dw it was a late night joke !"

And this guy is so corrupt that it could be true, or not, it's a toss coin at this point.

One thing's for sure, it's not gonna happen anytime soon, the French deffo wouldn't let him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day ? That's probably the only thing I can agree with ~~this far right fuck~~ Bardella. We should have a single term 7 years term to avoid what we have lived with Macron : not much on the first half of the first term, campaigning for the second term after that and now an absolute madness of authoritarianism, force pushed unpopular and unnecessary reforms and the further destruction of the very fabric of this country, because he's got nothing to loose anymore. That or a new republic that would give less power to a single person, like a parliamentary system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was about to say I don’t think it’s misleading but honestly on a re-read the article leaves a lot open for interpretation.

French President Emmanuel Macron slammed the two-term constitutional limit that means he must step down in 2027 as “damnable bullshit” in comments at a meeting with party leaders on Wednesday.

According to the far-left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon, Macron said it was “damnable bullshit that one could not be re-elected”

The president was reportedly responding to a proposal by far-right leader Jordan Bardella, who was suggesting France switch to a single seven-year presidential term.

Like if you look at all of these together the article implies he’s talking about his own term limits, some unknown source presumably allied with Macron claims it was in response to Bardella, and the quote from Mélenchon could refer to either.

I couldn’t find any other context in English beyond this. I would assume he’s talking about his own limits and the responding to Bardella bit is him and his allies trying to give him political cover, but it’s genuinely unclear.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Also, one should take into account the fact that Mélenchon was not there when this was said, at 3am. In French: https://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/la-limitation-des-mandats-presidentiels-est-une-funeste-connerie-tacle-emmanuel-macron-20230831

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Wtf happened to this guy? Wasn’t he reasonably moderate? Wasn’t he supposed to be the Biden/Trudeau of France? Can someone explain why he’s dancing this dance?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Sorry for my rusty english :

It's really worrying...the two terms election is here to stop any power abuse and they complain...Do they want to start a dictatorship ?
Well, Macron isn't moderate. In fact, he belong to an extremist movement too, but as we call it "center", he sound righteous, reasonable between left and right. Imho, Biden/Trudeau/Macron aren't different : they share the same view on economics system.

Currently, he is destroying our social system without listening its people : teachers, doctors, hospital, scientifics...are underpaid (same for the previous president). He asked us to work longer whereas at 60, you rapidly start declining and we presented other and better solution. He didn't listen and imposed the law with 49.3 hence one of the longest strike in France.

He forced poor people to work 3 days per week to get a small fee that mean poor people will be forced to accept any kind of degrading bullshit job to live. Rich people aren't taxed and get some fund for their projet...Furthermore he doing nothing toward the environnement except building new nuclear plant which is far from enough and risky because nuclear plant rely on water to cool down. And France will become a desertic area. We are unable to reduce our carbon footprint around the world, so it's clear we will reach the worst scenario. We need both : renewable and nuclear.

So, here is the painting.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The lesser of two evils implies they're both still evil

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, first term he was shiny, second term he was just less shit that Le Pen.

[–] bouh 7 points 1 year ago

To put it quickly, liberalism degenerate into fascism when facing difficulties.

In fact, any system will degenerate into fascism when facing a wall because fascism is the core of the state.

Macron is tired of fighting to push liberalism so hard, but he will rather ally and even become fascist than allying with the left. Because the left is radically anti-liberal while the right is merely fascist, but that's not anti-liberal so it's fine.

[–] gaael 7 points 1 year ago

Kinda moderate in pre-election speaches, but has been pushing a liberal agenda backed by police brutality since day one.

Also been getting high on feeling "the big man" since the beginning, I remember him being a jerk to a middle school student who called him "Manu" as a joke, he went all "that's mister president for you, you can call me Manu once you've accomplished something with your life".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Wasn’t he supposed to be the Biden/Trudeau of France? Can someone explain why he’s dancing this dance?

He is a liberal applying a liberal policy. Nothing moderate in "liberal" policies but good old right-wing policy with a drop of social varnish to get voters

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

He was never a good guy, he’s a “centrist”/liberal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Power corrupts

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Politico and its slams. They never disappoint. Although I wonder how someone can slam a text or an idea...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That guy won't rest until he pulls a Bonaparte. Ego really is a hell of a drug.

[–] Kyrgizion 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol he wish he had an inkling of that dude's leadership and charisma.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

He does have the ambition and egotism though.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Guy in power slams limitations on that power, who could have guessed?

[–] anewbeginning 11 points 1 year ago

Another one getting off on power. Maybe the limit should be one term.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't imagine some politician I didn't like getting 3 terms. That would blow. That's 15 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't know that! Makes me think :) thanks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Long terms in office promote stability

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

*stagnancy, not stability

Which is, incidentally, exactly what happened both with Kohl and Merkel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How did Germany stagnate between 2005 and 2021?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this question serious?

Lack of social reforms, lack of financial reforms, lack of infrastructure reforms, lack of energy reforms, the list goes on. All that was ever done was kicking the can down the road and here we are today.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not like countries with term limits fared better on average

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe not, but I think it's overall better to have term limits than to be stuck with an asshole leader for 20+ years

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany had a higher than average anual GDP growth (Europe), so yeah, the question was totally serious.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As serious as only caring about the economy can be, I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said it stagnated, which it didn’t.
Don’t lie if you’re not prepared to face some head wind for it.

Putting words in my mouth won’t make your statement any more true.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Understandable, have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I truly wish you the same

[–] bouh 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Haha Mélenchon being called far-left is the biggest joke of the article!

[–] skhayfa 5 points 1 year ago

Putain de connerie?