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Gofundme freezes Grayzone fundraiser 'due to some external concerns' (thegrayzone.com)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The Grayzone raises over $90,000 for 3 independent journalists.
Gofundme freezes the funds.
British Counter-Terror Police detains journalist Kit Klarenberg and interrogates him for 5 hours about his political views and reporting.

The West sure loves its press freedom™ huh?

Edit: Thanks for the valuable discussion, I didn't plan to donate anything cuz I also have my reservations towards the Grayzone. But you guys really showed me that I should probably do it anyway 😅

Here is the link if you want to donate too.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Since 2014, when a US-backed coup installed a nationalist government in Kiev, our contributors have been at the forefront of exposing the role of Washington in pushing Ukraine toward all-out war with Russia.

I think I found the reason. The press is free to report whatever it wants, though! And gofundme is free to withdraw funds.

See, freedom means that everyone can do whatever they want as long as they abide by law. Grayzone is free to spread their lies, gofundme is free to not support those lies. No one is banning Grayzone, it's just pretty much everyone decided they don't want to deal with it, which they're free to.

To answer your question, yes, we sure do love our freedom, press or otherwise!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Since 2014, when a US-backed coup installed a nationalist government in Kiev, our contributors have been at the forefront of exposing the role of Washington in pushing Ukraine toward all-out war with Russia.

But I actually have to agree with you on this, that is bullshit. The Grayzone was not at the forefront of this in 2014; the BBC was. (full transcript)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The money didn't come from Gofundme, it came from private donors, who have not been notified or refunded so far.

If freedom of the press is loved, why is it made extra difficult to support the independent media of your choice?

People donated to that site because they probably view the information it provides as valuable.

It's fine if you think the Grayzone is shit, no one will force you to read it, but please be aware that you accept authoritarianism when it suits your bias and political beliefs. Not even questioning the reasons for the withholding? Do you just think the boss or some random person of Gofundme spontaneously thought "Nah, not those guys, not today" then froze the 90k? Not even questioning how a journalist ends up on a list of the UK Counter-Terror Police?

And btw, dismissing journalistic work when it proves that you've been told lies does not make you a critical thinker, it just makes you a victim of propaganda, all the best 😘

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are free to use a platform that aligns with their tankie fantasies

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Can you provide a link to 1 article that consists of "tankie fantasies"?

Edit: and they couldn't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The interviews with convicted pedo and tankie Scott Ritter perhaps?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They're pushing some crazy conspiracy theories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

I hope they crash and burn... Far left! Pah, these people are nothing but far from sane.

EDIT: Lol at all the russian disinformants in the replies. Wikipedia literally references tens of articles that were conspiracy theories. "without evidence" only works if you're blind. Also weird that the website only lists anti-ukrainian articles....

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't quite get how supporting Russia would ever be considered left wing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Russia is strongly associated with communism in many people's minds. Including many Russians'.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's pretty ridiculous.

[–] Skipcast 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see how the things reported on that page could be considered "left"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Following in the footsteps of PayPal freezing the account of Mint Press, Wikileaks being smeared, etc. Anti-imperialist voices will be silenced by the empire, by force if necessary.

This is also only the tip of the mud iceberg The Grayzone has been dragged through, and only because they report on uncomfortable facts.

The west never had freedom for anything except capital.

[–] MapleEngineer 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It's not actually journalism. It's an extreme left propagandist and conspiracy website.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-grayzone/

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They are not leftists, they are tankies who are pro-Russia, pro-CCP, pro-Assad, and basically pro-every-authoritarian. They defend multiple genocides. They're fascists stealing leftist valor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah just going to OP's link just half of the "popular stories" links are pro-russia propaganda nonsense, and the rest are bizarro tankie takes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩⛳🚩

[+] TokenBoomer -7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you consider yourself a leftist?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, I'm a radical anarcho-feminist.

[+] TokenBoomer -7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you rather live under the rule of socialist China, or capitalist America?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you seriously think I don't know what a whataboutism is? Fuck off with this disingenuous bullshit tankie.

I'm not even a goddamn american!

[+] TokenBoomer -10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you’re a liberal. Facts.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you even talking about. Go back to bed. I'm not an idiot and I'm not falling for your shit.

[+] TokenBoomer -9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you want people to fall for your shit. This isn’t Reddit. We’re not all idiots.

[+] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh, I think something finally clicked in my head!

Radical anarcho-feminism is when

wishing harm to people you disagree with
not questioning liberal media controlled by oligarchs
prioritize the preservation of "leftist valor" over a critical examination of imperialism and colonialism

Fascinatingly Radical 👌

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, you got #1 out of 3 accurate. With a 33% level of integrity they just might hire you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd love to gain a better understanding tho.

Maybe we can use this article to better understand our perspectives?

Can you highlight the sentences, parts, keypoints or conclusions, which you, as a leftist radical anarcho-feminist think are wrong, problematic, offensive, bad etc.?

No need to go through the whole article; just a few points and possibly a general explanation of your perspective on the discussed issue will do, so I can understand why the grayzone is an unacceptable news site for some leftists.

[+] TokenBoomer -7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your hostility belies your intentions. Just accept that you are a liberal. And that’s okay. Own it. But stop pretending to be an actual leftist while spewing liberal propaganda.

[+] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[+] TokenBoomer -6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not disingenuous. I asked a question you never answered. I don’t even consider myself a Marxist Leninist. You throw out words like they don’t have meaning.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You asked a completely irrelevant question to deflect to a different subject, presumably because you thought I was American. Unfortunately I've slayed a lot of tankies and I know your tricks. I'm not falling for your misdirection.

[–] TokenBoomer -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am American, you are not. That’s irrelevant. Still not a tankie, and you still haven’t answered the question which actually implies the answer by deduction. I’m not trying to trick you. I don’t even care if you’re a liberal. I’m surrounded by them. They aren’t bad people, just undereducated.

Edit: How many tankies have you slayed in 3 days?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

About to be one more. (In case it was unclear, this is a metaphor and an alt.)

[–] TokenBoomer -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You slayed me so hard, metaphorically. Now answer the question:

Would you rather live under the rule of socialist China, or capitalist America?

If you don’t want to answer it, that’s fine. But maybe think about what that means.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't live under and don't want to live under either, because I am a radical anarchist and don't believe in states or borders. So, I did kind of answer your dumb, misdirecting, whataboutist false dichotomy with my first reply. Hope you are happy with the answer. It's bedtime now.

[–] TokenBoomer -4 points 1 year ago

Was that difficult? I understand, that would be my view too. But as an anarchist, if it was a binary choice, and it might be, I would reluctantly choose to live under socialist Chinese rule. They are not perfect. But they at least have nationalized healthcare and house their homeless. That’s how I know I am a leftist. But labels don’t really matter when lives are concerned.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People like @[email protected] aren't worth engaging with.

Just ignore and move on. It's the most effective tactic.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Denialism. Just because you’re miserable doesn’t mean everyone else has to be.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, you should only get your news from right wing media owned by oligarchs. That's how you know it's true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/

lmao lol even

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

When your overton window has fallen off the bloody table.

[–] MapleEngineer 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Left of center, highly factual reporting. Ok.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

not the CIA

[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 1 year ago

That may be true. But don’t discount that media disseminated under capitalism is also biased. Source

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Gofundme is a private company they are free to do what they feel is right within the confines of the law.

As far as I can tell he has been released and not improsined so why it may be an overstep he's hardly been silenced. And the news organisation seems to still be running freely as well.

I can't find any actual information about the event online so it's hard to form an opinion either way.