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Fairphone 5: Everything about the "fair" smartphone in advance - price, details, pictures (www.winfuture.de)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Fairphone brings a much better device to market with better cameras, a better screen, likely a better chip, open hardware specifications and modularity, a completely unlockable bootloader (with likely support for CalyxOS and other ROM's shortly), and up to 8 years of software support(!), but people say they won't get it because no headphone jack...

MFW people have their priorities extremely mixed up... That's been the world now for 6 years, it's time to get over it. Letting perfect be the enemy of good is how you decide to throwaway something as good as what Fairphone seems to be offering. Sony still offers Android devices with headphone jacks, just don't be upset if you don't get another Android version pushed to your device.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's not available in my region. But, if it was, I would consider getting it. Snapdragon 778 level performance should be sufficient for most people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I hope the FP5 will come to the US officially too. I know the FP4 could work here, but it apparently did have issues with a carrier or two, or something.

Hopefully the 5 will bring true support for US markets.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It will be announced today, stay tuned

[–] AnotherPerson 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For me it's the camera. If the best camera I have is the one with me then the one with me is going to be the best I can buy (within reason) if they could get Samsung or Pixel quality (or iPhone I guess) that would be awesome.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Iphone and samsung did not get their camera chops in months. It took years. Fairphone would take a similar amount of time to reach that. But, yeah, i agree a good camera would be great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ye but I want a god damn head phone jack.

[–] fubbernuckin 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No headphone jack. Real shame i won't be able to use this phone.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I simply cannot understand that decision. Am I supposed to throw away all my headphones now because of this dumb, Apple initiated fad? That big vendors like Samsung and OnePlus follow the inane "courage" displayed by Apple because they also want to be "premium" is understandable, but that smaller vendors, especially the fair phone do it is just dumb.

Apple creates problems to sell you a solution

[–] woelkchen 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Am I supposed to throw away all my headphones now because of this dumb, Apple initiated fad?

No, they think https://shop.fairphone.com/shop/usb-c-to-mini-audio-jack-adapter-3-5mm-18 is fine. (I'm not agreeing with them.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No they don't intend you to use the adapter. They want you to buy their Bluetooth earbuds. They remove the headphone jack at the same time they introduce the earbuds. It's about pushing sales of a disposable electronic thing. To increase their overall revenue. Apple demonstrated this by huge sales of their earbuds. And everyone else once money so they're following suit. The reason Fair phone is pissing us off is because they said they weren't like other corporations, they didn't want extra e-waste, they were doing things to be sustainable, and then they pull the same dick head move. It feels like betrayal

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks, but pfffff. So I have to carry around another tiny thing I can lose easily. No thanks.

[–] woelkchen 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The idea is that you don't detach the adapter from your headphones. My experience is that it kinda works, there are even ones that allow you to charge at the same time.

I have some sympathy for Fairphone in that regard because they pay more for the materials and workers than Apple, so it forces their hand to a degree to save costs at other places. A friend has the Fairphone 3 and says the camera is unusably bad... So yeah, they cut costs and consumers stay away because they may need them. I need two physical SIM slots, for example and Fairphone has one since the 4 or so.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Headphone jack is not about cost cutting, it's about selling something with a higher profit margin.

And not detaching the adapter doesn't work when you have multiple devices.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Ugh. Looks like they may never release a device with a headphone jack at this point. I'm fine with my FP3 but it still comes off a bad move.

Can they please just bring back the project manager that oversaw the FP3? Since the departure the company has made very questionable design choices and decisions (FP4 without headphone jack, and the unrepairable first gen Fairbuds)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No headphone jack? Not interested.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fair phone really shot themselves in the foot when they removed the headphone jack, especially given their mission statement.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it was a real slap in the face. Especially when they debuted their branded Bluetooth headset at the same time. It's like gee you guys just charge more money for the phone if you want to make more money. Don't make me suffer

[–] Joris 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget the unrepairable Bluetooth in-ears.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

It's walking e-waste, in your ear! Not environmentally friendly. Ok sure, the phone needs a battery, but not everything needs a battery!

[–] narrowide96lochkreis 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Has the most compelling hardware features of any Fairphone yet looks like. Also, quite like the design compared to their previous attempts.

~~No eSIM though?~~ It does have eSIM.

Also hope the software or rather firmware stuff is good. And would like to see some competent camera review.

Also, gotta say, funny how all the headphone jack die-hards from r/Android ended up here. As every single other comment here currently complains about it missing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

the lemmyverse feels real small right now... everyone reads everything :)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Sadly no headphone jack

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's too damn big. I got a Fairphone 4 and got rid of it because I just couldn't properly use it (and because of the poor camera performance on top of that). Now they're releasing an even bigger phone? I may be the minority here, but that's a deal breaker for me. I'll need a new phone in the next few months, but right now I'm only considering the s23 or the Xperia 5 V, just because everything else is just too fucking huge.

[–] SillyBanana 7 points 10 months ago

Exactly. I'm now on 4 years old Samsung S10e, with replaced battery and display, because I can't see myself using ANY of the new phones. All of them are so giant and heavy, and I already feel like I'd like something smaller than my current one... I guess the Fairphone philosophy wins anyway, hehe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Specifically, the Qualcomm QCM6490 octa-core SoC is used in the Fairphone 5, which is actually more intended for embedded and industrial applications. The chip has eight cores and reaches up to 2.7 gigahertz, whereby the performance should be on the level of the Snapdragon 778G 5G .

(Machine translated.)

Interesting. I'll wait for benchmarks before jumping to conclusions. Considering how Qualcomm has been raising prices, I'm not really surprised that vendors are crawling down the product line.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In the article it mentions that the SoC might have been chosen because on it's extended software support of 8 years. Industrial tier electronics also usually cost more than consumer counterparts, so unlikely a cost cutting measure

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Awesome. Ars just posted their review and they mention this as well. I have not used a SD 776G phone, which they say is similar. Looking at quick benchmarks, it looks like it sits around the performance level of a SD888?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/fairphone-5-sets-a-new-standard-with-8-10-years-of-android-support/

[–] woelkchen 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’ll wait for benchmarks

Fairphone was never about the high-end. Don't expect anything marvelous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't need to compete with current gen flagships, these are just overkill anyway even for me as a heavy user also using it for my work etc. What they do need is "good enough" performance (i.e. 2/3 years old flagship performance) and a decent camera, that's I think what was lacking that actually impacts users.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

There are currently 11 modules, which are user replaceable. It has 8GB of ram. It would've been so much cool if it was upgradable to something like 12/16GB.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hope it gets a US release

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Fairphone 4 with /e/OS (degoogled, privacy focused custom ROM) is available in the US. Check out https://murena.com/shop/smartphones

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

FP5 will probably get the same treatment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Looks like it, yeah - they'll announce it today

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but they also mention that if you choose to install stock android onto it instead of their e/OS. They will void your warranty :/

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Too expensive for me. I understand why, like the whole being "fair" thing and all but those specs are not good enough for 700€.

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