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Just following on from this: https://lemmy.nz/post/1134134

Ex-Tesla employee reveals shocking details on worker conditions: 'You get fired on the spot.'

I'm curious about how far this goes.

You can't get fired on the spot in NZ, unless you like, shot someone or set the building on fire or something really bad.

But it seems that in the US, there's little to no protections for employees when their bosses are dickheads?

Also, any personal stories of getting fired on the spot?

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[โ€“] blacklizardplanet 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Don't know how Americans do it honestly. At will states, no parental leave or even maternity leave(this is mind blowing plus add on the cost to birth a baby at a hospital like ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿคฏ), 2 weeks vacation, no sick time, poor insurance, etc. Read an article that says their minimum wage hasn't increased in over a DECADE. So yeah, it seems like they have very little protection.

So odd and I find I work with a fair amount of people from NA who "humble brag" about working so much or it's been years since I had a day off... just don't get it. ๐Ÿคท.

[โ€“] PP_BOY_ 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just because it's not legally required doesn't mean plenty of jobs don't offer those. It still sucks, but you're retarded if you think the average american job doesn't provide at least some. Not to mention the fact that states and cities can and do legislate their own minimum wages.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

California, where Tesla has their first factory in Fremont, is an "at will" employment state. Other states that are not "at will" generally have better protections for employees. In California, they can let you go without stating a reason, which makes it really hard to fight against it if it was really for an illegal reason (like they fired you for being gay or trans).

I don't know all the states that are "at will" but it's not all of them. And California is the most surprising one.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No, but youโ€™d be forgiven for thinking so

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not really... and what little we do have usually goes unenforced.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You have to already be wealthy in order to litigate, and the workers aren't wealthy. So the laws go unenforced. Most theft in the US occurs in the form of wage theft perpetrated by employers.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes but they're pretty much the minimum.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yes, we do have protections in America. The secret is to not work for ultra corporations like Amazon, Tesla, Disney, and so on. Nobody is "supposed to" be able to fire people randomly, but the more "eager" businesses take shortcuts and have the might to surpass elements of society we take for granted. Be a librarian or something.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Disney is heavily unionized, they're one of the better companies on that list to work for. From entertainment unions such as writers and actors guilds to their theme park workers being unionized, they can't just walk over their workers like most US companies because they will fight back

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Some people are glossing over that "at will" is a double edged sword. Everyone talks about how the employer can fire you on the spot. The employee can also leave on the spot. In comparison. some countries require the employee to stay at the company for a period of additional time before they can quit. This could be months depending on how long they've been working.

Now does this employee benefit make "at will" worthwhile? Probably not.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You should know that when you want to leave, they will want you to leave too.

I mean if you're a nice person you'd train someone or make tech transfer, but that doesn't take months... So you being paid slackin around or you leave quite quickly?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The other double edged quality is that businesses may be more hesitant to hire anyone who is seen as risk if protections are too strong. Take France, where the youth unemployment rate is chronically around 18%. Some find work in the informally economy, where paradoxically they have even fewer protections.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but I'm pretty sure the only time that you can't just walk out is if you're literally a slave.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I thought we were talking about legality, not physical restraint. For example, in Belgium an employee can be required to give notice of up to 13 weeks.

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