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[–] [email protected] 158 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

For me:

  1. Privacy reasons. When a comment is "deleted" on Lemmy, the comment is actually only hidden to all except instance administrators. The comment remains on the post and continues to display the poster's username. kbin is also not a beacon of privacy, but it at least removes deleted comments from threads. This is also why I try to interact more on kbin magazines than Lemmy communities.

  2. kbin has a sweet community search tool that not only searches kbin magazines, but also Lemmy communities and even Mastodon groups. This means you can easily find communities all across the #Fediverse for any of your interests.

  3. kbin has a much nicer/more modern UI. It's got some quirks, but it's easier to read and navigate than Lemmy by default.

  4. Customization options! Lemmy has themes, which is cool, but kbin has themes and lots of fun toggles to change your experience.

  5. Last but certainly not least, Lemmy devs have a pretty shit stance on human rights. (See here: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379). There are communities like #Beehaw, which are super friendly and non-problematic instances separate from the Lemmy devs, but it's worth noting that instances like Lemmy's flagship instance and Lemmygrad are run by folks with some grossly misguided views.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

More info on Lemmy devs being tankies who deny human rights violations: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/47012/-/comment/196579

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is what did it for me. After 3 days of finally getting the hang of Lemmy and figuring shit out I learned about the devs and their beliefs.

I don't want to support humans like that and so I was very grateful to swap to kbin and continue to deepen my learnings of the Fediverse.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

An apologist for communist dictatorships, who turn a blind eye to - or even justify - their human rights violations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I didn't realise there was a word for it! Thanks!

[–] psycrow 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Bootlickers, of the communist variety. Not very nuanced people. The type of people who deny the atrocities of Soviet era countries, and some are even dumb enough to support North Korea and the current regimes of China and Russia. Some are from troll farms sponsored by those countries.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

@ADHDefy mostly #3 for me. I am looking forward to the "hide interacted with threads" functionality to come to kbin. I'm patient though.

Edited to note - i agree with the other points too.

@Facni

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Although, by nature of the federation, anything add and then deleted may already be replicated to other instances.

Some of whom could instead show/retain a copy of it.

Basically assume that everything will be available and associated with you forever. Even more so than usual.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Just made me realize that this causes a problem with GDPR. Will that cause issues in the future for the Fediverse?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Personally I haven't settled in on anything yet. I have accounts on several different KBin instances, a couple Lemmy instances, and Beehaw (which I guess is also a Lemmy instance)

Currently for me it's between Beehaw and Kbin. I like I can use either account to interact with either so at the end of the day it really doesn't matter. Kbin looks MUCH nicer on the phone, but I like Beehaw's moderation, broad-topic communities, etc. Alone, Beehaw would be too restrictive. Combined with Kbin and a couple Lemmy communities, eventually it's going to just be a matter of using your favorite username@whatever and deciding which front-end you prefer. Beehaw is a little better for people that want to avoid porn and stuff though.

If one platform begins developing much faster than the other, switch! Have a few accounts subscribed to all your favorite communities so they're all locked and loaded and ready to use.

[–] UnfortunateShort 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Regarding 5., I mean, you pointed out your way around that yourself. Create your account elsewhere. Lemmy is FOSS. If the devs do act shitty, one can fork their stuff and everyone can put it on their instances anyway.

While I don't want to defend them, because I did not investigate it further, I do have to say that I didn't see anything weird on their profiles. Moreover, I totally get that they don't really want to moderate their instances more than they absolutely have to. As in "if it's not illegal, I don't care."

It creates a shitton of work and moral dilemmas, plus you have do deal with bad shit every single day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there something wrong with choosing to avoid someone's software because the developers are tankies, in your opinion?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

kbin has a sweet community search tool that not only searches kbin magazines, but also Lemmy communities and even Mastodon groups. This means you can easily find communities all across the #Fediverse for any of your interests.

This convinced me to switch to kbin from lemmy. Looks like it has a better "sort-by-hot" functionality too far as I can tell.

The nice thing is, I can always switch back, no cost to me

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago (12 children)

For me it simply came down to the fact that I prefer the layout, and it's also nice knowing I can block whole domains (looking at you, furry spammers). It also integrates with Mastodon if that's your thing (it's not my thing), and I have high hopes for the ability of Ernest (the founder and only dev, to my knowledge) to usher it in a good and healthy direction. I can see all content from Lemmy and interact with it though, so it really just comes down to personal preference.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Same here. I like the look, usability and layout of Kbin better. I do wish there were more users here at kbin.social, though, as the federated feed is more lively on the large Lemmy instances.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I do wish there were more users here at kbin.social, though, as the federated feed is more lively on the large Lemmy instances.

kbin.social has more MAU (Monthly Active Users) now, than all Lemmy combined! That is of course effect of the spike this month and shall fade only on July, but did you already see activity on kbin.social alone fading?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Is kbin supported with a mobile app. I've been on Jerboa for Lemmy and it's been pretty ok for beta.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There's one on the way to a beta (Artemis) but I just used the Firefox feature to place a webapp on my phone so I click that and it immediately opens in Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

The kbin mobile website works fine in Safari on the iPhone, too. Looks just like the website adapted for a smaller screen and has all the same functionality. With the exception of notifications, it's fine. And it's early days, people will develop apps for the platform.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Will apps made for Lemmy (like Sync for Lemmy that was just announced) work with Kbin? Or is it a different API entirely?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

It's in progress. Scroll down to the bottom of this page:

https://kbin.pub

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i'm a furry and out of the loop here, what's going on with "furry spammers"? i saw this mentioned twice now which can't be a coincidence

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was a new domain and they were posting everywhere, my /new and /active were literally half full of furry stuff.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

cough What's that domain, so I can, uh, block it, too?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Thanks! You're a real one, I wouldn't want to, you know, accidentally happen across some degenerate content!

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There is this post by fedi.tips that explicitly warns against using Lemmy because of developer concerns: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/110476830253102884

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

The lemmy devs tried denying it in an update, and then someone brought the receipts. I really do not want to support those devs.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Lemmy is developed by tankies who deny and censor talk about human rights violations.

https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/47012/-/comment/196579

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Literally the only reason I chose kbin over lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you know kbin developers political views?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

No

hopes to keep it that way

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

100% because the tankie thing.
A long-time believer of "you can't separate art from the artist".

[–] MadWorks 13 points 2 years ago

The main difference is the UI. A lot of people like the interface of Kbin over Lemmy, but really there's nothing from stopping you choosing one or the other. I'm replying to you now from Lemmy.

[–] spirit 12 points 2 years ago

I am not advocating Kbin or Lemmy. But it is interesting to me that the reason behind the inception of Kbin was related to Lemmy. See the full discussion here where the creator of Kbin, @ernest, stated:

The point is, I don’t want to create a lesser evil here. I want to create something truly good, which is why from the very beginning I’ve been striving to be transparent on all fronts. I’ll just say that before starting from scratch, I tried to create kbin as a fork of Lemmy. I like Rust, I respect them as architects and I’ve learned a lot about managing such a project. However, ultimately, I believe that I cannot remain indifferent to certain things. That’s why kbin is what it is now. Nevertheless, that collaboration with Lemmy’s developers can be beneficial for all of us at this stage. After all, Lemmy is not just one instance, and many amazing people are building the fediverse using this software.

What was those "certain things" we do not know. But the full discussion there revolves around the political views. Check it yourself. But at the end of the day, choose what suits you best since they are contribute to the same Threadiverse.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Lemmy devs are tankies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I looked at Lemmy.world then Kbin.

I went with Kbin because Lemmy keeps pulling new threads onto the top of the home page feed. This pushes down content on the home page as you're trying to read it. And I just don't want it to be constantly pulling in new data, especially if I'm doing other stuff and my browser is just in the background.

[–] Anemervi 10 points 2 years ago

Should be fixed in next version that is being tested right now, as a workaround you can change the 1 (page) in the url to 0.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I'm new to Lemmy and kbin, so these points may be more a me-thing than a Lemmy/kbin-thing, but from what I can see:

  • Accessing Lemmy content from kbin is pretty seamless, but it's difficult to access kbin from Lemmy.

  • kbin's integration with Mastodon/microblogging fediverses is neat.

  • kbin seems to have more magazines catering to more of my specific interests and hobbies, while Lemmy's communities are more generic.

  • This is specific to the instance I am on (beehaw.org), but I can't access the Lemmy instance when I'm using ProtonVPN.

  • I just read through the Mastodon thread on how the Lemmy developers are not consistent with their own policies of human rights. While that doesn't automatically mean that Lemmy is bad, I feel more comfortable using software by developers who are not known to be "tankies".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Lemmy developers support the CCP and Russia,
Kbin dev doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago
  1. I like the UI more
  2. Not developed by tankies
  3. Catchier name IMO (reminds me of GabeN, while Lemmy makes me think of Lemmings, which isn't the best)
  4. Microblogs are neat
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Kbin's software is much more impressive to me, despite being a lot newer it's far more robust. Having dual functionality for both threads and microblogs is really cool for the Fediverse.

And yeah, the tankie thing.

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[–] DrYes 6 points 2 years ago

First time I've looked at kbin and what immediately struck me is that the page is properly viewable with javascript turned off.

A welcome surprise and I'll create an account there.

[–] sailorluna 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i really want to switch to kbin but im struggling seeing lemmy posts/communities on kbin whereas the opposite works better for me. i would love to switch to kbin because of the tankie thing though.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

A friend told me to try Kbin when the owner of Reddit turned out to be so terrible.

I like it here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

The community on kbin seems nicer… I know, it’s impossible to say in a few days, but I’ve had a better experience here and on beehaw than other instances…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wider layout, actually black text (compared to Lemmingish grey), and clearly distinguished boxes with comments. Plus several "skins", including solarized light and dark. Less eye strain.

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