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A lot of people seem to feel that TotK is so much better than BotW, in so many ways, that playing BotW any more would feel almost pointless.

While I can understand that, TotK is truly amazing in almost every way, I find myself missing BotW.

I miss that desolate feeling, the Guardian induced anxiety, and the difficulty of a lot of BotW that I feel is missing from TotK.

BotW and TotK are the 2 sides of a single coin, neither complete without the other.

I'm already looking forward to another playthrough of both games! (only 68% so far on TotK still!)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honnestly I just bought myself a Switch and I'm just amazed by BotW and am really enjoying it however I do feel like some of the story telling aspect is lacking & I was told that TotK does not disappoint in that department and now I am also even more looking forward to TotK, urgh I love The Legend of Zelda sooo muuuch

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Have fun I put 400-500 hours in botw over all my playthroughs and I will playthrough again next year once I finish totk... word of advice, imho it's best to just play botw nice and slow I rushed my first playthrough and it wasn't until my second that I discovered sooo much cool stuff I'd missed out on by not exploring that next hill top or seeing what was around that corner...

[–] ilovecheese 3 points 1 year ago

I can understand your point about the story telling aspect, but for me it's almost the opposite.

While the story aspect n TotK is far richer and deeper the trade off is it makes it slightly more directional in nature than BotW. The feeling of just being left to it with no more than a subtle hint of where to go and what the objective was or if there even was one, is what really made BotW stand out above everything else.

Not that TotK is linear in any way, but the guiding hand is felt a little more :)

This is really splitting hairs though, lol, both games are by far the best games I've played!

I'm certain you'll love TotK if you like BotW!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Breath of the Wild was the better first-time experience. Discovering Hyrule and the intricate world they created was awe inspiring playing it on launch 6 years ago. With Tears of the Kingdom there wasn't as many surprises (apart from the first few hours in the depths). Having said that, I'm more likely to replay Tears of the Kingdom just because of how much more it gives the player to do and to work with. It's an evolution and improvement on BotW in almost every other way, from mechanics, to dungeons, to story.

[–] ilovecheese 3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more, and I think that's why I'll always love BotW, even if TotK is the better game.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like TOTK more than BOTW, but I might still return to BOTW sometimes - the ambience and atmosphere is very different. Playing TOTK is like playing in the world's biggest, wildest sandbox, while playing BOTW is like a walk alone in a mountain forest at sunrise.

[–] ilovecheese 4 points 1 year ago

That's a very good comparison! I'm glad they have those different feels to them though. Good reason to play both again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like both games for what they are. Though I have already forgotten how TotK began, I still remember the moment when I left the shrine of resurrection in BotW. That open world (moment) was incredible. TotK on the other side has a bit more of the original Zelda charme regarding dungeons and the like and I really do love the temples. I am not so keen for the crafting part, but than I just don't spend too much time on it.

[–] ilovecheese 1 points 1 year ago

BotW opening and the music score will stay with me for ever I think!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you know your percentage progress with such precision?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Like BOTW, the completion percentage shows up on the map after finishing the story.

[–] ilovecheese 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a map complete percentage on the map once you have defeated gannondorf.

Assuming it's the same as BotW, each place name on the map and each korok is worth the same a a side mission or shrine.

[–] justlookingfordragon 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minor correction; side missions don't count, at least in BotW. I have no idea (yet) whether this also applies to TotK as I haven't beaten the main boss yet and can not verify it myself, but I do have a full breakdown for Breath of th Wild ;)

I still don't really understand WHY Nintendo opted to make this counter so awkward and counter-intuitive in the first place tho. An actual, real, "overall game completion counter" that takes quests, minibosses, memories and the Hyrule Compendium into account would have been better IMHO. Or at least reducing the value of each Korok Seed so they don't account for literally three quarters of the total.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, well spotted! It is an awkward way to do it.

I know it always ends up being 1 missing korok or bridge name.

[–] balrog 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely. There are things I miss about BoTW for sure (boomie zoomies, I'm lookin at you). But I have also been playing TotK pretty much non stop since it came out. I don't think one or the other is better. They are both amazing, just different.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly! Couldn't agree more :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started replaying BotW right before TotK came out. I almost didn't want to stop! It was such an amazing game. I sunk 300 hours into it on my Wii U, and then bought it again for the Switch that I bought just to play TotK.

I feel like TotK has so much more going for it. The weapon fusion using base weapons that each have their own inate ability is much more fun than just using the same old Royal Guard Swords because they're better than everything else.

Sticking stuff to arrows is also super fun. So much more versatile than just the 3 elements + bomb arrows. I love they they brought back bomb flowers for that purpose.

As much fun as I've had with the vehicle building, once you figure out the perfect hoverbike, it feels like it cheapens the game somewhat. Who needs stamina anymore, or the climbing gear? Or snow boots? I'll just poop out another hoverbike and fly everwhere. Why do I even need legs? 😂

Don't get me wrong, I kinda love flying everywhere. It's such a great way to explore the beautiful world. The views are gorgeous! But at the same time I kinda miss being limited to exploring the countryside on a horse.

When I'm finally done with my first run through the game, I think I might go back to BotW again. I won't really know how that feels until I do it.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

Yep I love the new arrow types too. Great addition.

To be honest, I've found myself still walking and climbing quite a lot. Then a spell of a machine for everything, lol.

[–] Rob 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I absolutely loved BotW and I think I still do. Played through it again before the release of TotK and did all of the shrines. The gameplay loop can get a bit repetitive, but I absolutely loved exploring the world.

Strangely, the world in TotK feels smaller to me. Maybe I was more easily impressed in 2017, but Hyrule felt huge back then. Due to how much easier you can traverse the world in TotK, it feels a bit less grand. It’s also so jam packed that to me it feels less like a real world and more like a game.

That being said: TotK has a lot of fun stuff that I would probably miss in BotW. The gameplay js much more diverse and I’d probably get annoyed at how much effort it’d take to go somewhere. I think that if you played them for the first time in reverse order, you would absolutely think TotK is the better game.

[–] ilovecheese 3 points 1 year ago

100%'d BotW just before TotK too!

That huge open world feeling the first time was amazing, but after 1300 hours on BotW it doesn't last, so the changes in TotK brought it back some what, but it wll take something special to get that BotW feeling again!

Looking forward to it again already. I expect even better replayability from TotK.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still love BOTW, and I will probably go back to replay it again at some point. It has a different feel to it, especially compared to the later game construction wackiness of ToTK.
Having finished both back to back, I think they both have their own place in my replay roster. Will just depend on what I'm feeling like at the time.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

I too played them back to back. 100% BotW including all the chests!

I expect to replay both many times in the future :)

[–] nivenkos 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ToTK is just better in every way IMO (and also perhaps the best game of all time).

Especially the boss fights - they're a bit shorter and easier for the most part but much more varied and less frustrating (Water Temple notwithstanding).

I also love how the combat is so tactical too - even if constructions are a bit OP. Like the weapon degradation can be annoying, but you're thinking way more like I need one good wooden weapon, a good rock clearer, a strong metal weapon, maybe some sort of thrown bomb weapon, etc. - the stats matter, but the effects do too.

I just wish ToTK had even more diverse areas, I think there's so much potential with the build system. Like you could have Mario Kart style races building your own vehicles and weapons (ideally playing this banger).

Imagine a big series of islands and buidling boats like Wind Waker. Or the ability to dive underwater, and build submarines to access the underwater Depths Subnautica-style.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

They're some cracking ideas! I hope we get some imaginative DLC some time soon.

For me TotK is better in almost every way, especially the combat!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I bought BotW together with a used but relatively new Switch about three months after launch. I just finished BotW today after having purchased Totk a couple of days ago with "more than 255h" on the clock as my switch tells me. Though you can subtract 80 for the first attempt after wich i paused and restarted. So i had an on/off relationship with BotW for six years and only the release of it's sequel finally pushed me to finish it. It took me so long not because i didn't like it. On the contrary as my playtime counter gives away. But just because it's so goddamn big. When totk came out i bought it and thought "well lemme just quickly finish botw so i can get to totk" before spending another 30ish hours in that game. I know i'd feel empty now if it wasn't for totk allowing me to basically jump into "botw 2" immediatly. I think it''s telling that after so much time spent in this world i still can''t wait to jump into totk right after killing ganon. Excitied to see what they did to this world that i know in and out in 6 years of development time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also feel like TotK is easier than BotW, only in the early game was I cautious of some enemies; in BotW I was almost always wary of facing guardians. But I also enjoy that the map doesn't feel as "empty" in TotK and I can just explore more relaxed.

There are some QoL improvements in TotK that I think I would struggle not having if I went back to BotW, like being able yo use the Purah Pad while gliding.

I did enjoy the story telling of BotW more, it felt more emotional to me.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed! Almost no early game caution in TotK. Except the hands, lol.

Will also miss the pad while gliding, amongst other things, like I still miss the guardians even after 300 hours of TotK ;)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do love both, but the QoL improvements in TotK just make it much harder to go back to BotW.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

Fair point! Maybe I'll feel that way too, when I go back to it.

[–] YottaEngineer 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. They have different vibes. I admit going back into the old UI is hard.

[–] justlookingfordragon 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TotK is definitely fun and interesting, and I love tinkering around with the various contraptions, buuuut .... it's just not the same as BotW. I'm a huge fan of medieval/fantasy games in general, but TotK kinda doesn't fit into this genre for me.

There is Zonai tech in every corner, you constantly need to glue things together to build hovercrafts and airplanes and whatnot, then you fuse a giant longsword onto a dagger to make a 1H weapon out of it, strap a rocket to your shield and swim through the ceiling and drive over a Bokoblin in your private little tank ... It just doesn't feel like a medieval fantasy/adventure world anymore. More like a mod or a Zelda skin for a non-Zelda game.

BotW might have less features but feels a lot more immersive to me. I can get mentally lost in that world for hours on end without thinking about it as a game, completely forgetting for a while that the real world even exists. In TotK, that hasn't happened to me yet. It's still fun, don't get me wrong; but it isn't half as immersive as BotW.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

I completely see what you mean! I went straight from BotW to TotK and thought it kind of felt like I was using mods.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't finished TotK yet, but I feel like BotW does some things better in terms on congruence. I'd say TotK is better overall despite this. Both games are great on their own!!

[–] ilovecheese 1 points 1 year ago

I've finished the story, shrines and lightroots, but only 68% complete.

Damn those koroks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they compliment each other real well. 2 sides of a single coin, like you said, is a great way to put it.

BOTW was great exploring and discovering a broken land. TOTK is more like a rebuilding. Yeah there's destruction and bad guys, but all of Hyrule feels alive and working with each other.

I do miss all those bombs and statising the enemies. I love the added caves to search in though.

[–] ilovecheese 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly that! I loved the quiet desolate feel in BotW. But i think the caves are possibly my favorite addition the the TotK Hyrule.

[–] YoungFool4505 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Botw was fun! I just finished everything in it, and don't wanna do that again.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

Me too! Already looking forward to doing it all again some time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

BotW is a cool game, and I had fun playing it.

That fun didn't last very long though. I got bored pretty quickly. I'm not sure I even have 50hrs in it to this day. I did some shrines and got the divine beasts, but I never felt compelled to 100% or fight Ganon or do any side quests.

It had a cool premise, but there just wasn't enough stuff to keep me interested, and tbh I think that's true across the board, bc from what I've seen, most of the people who get tons and tons of fun out of it are making their own fun doing stuff like speed running and finding glitches, not just generally playing the game. Those kind of things don't interest me. If I wanted just a sandbox, I'd play Minecraft or Gary's Mod or something.

On the other hand, I'm already at 100hrs now in TotK. I got all the depths filled out, completed more shrines than I ever did in BotW (and found more than exist in BotW), completed a ton of the side quests (especially the "Side Adventures" ones that I really enjoyed), got all of the old games' armors and upgraded them fully (except TP; dear Lord it is too much Topaz!!!), explored lots of caves and wells, etc, etc. I'm doing things in the game, and I'll keep doing things through this game. Everything is so much more engaging. TotK takes the intricate sandbox world and actually makes it worth using.

Tl; Dr: I dropped BotW whereas I'm actually playing TotK. BotW was a really cool experience, but I'm firmly in the camp of "TotK makes BotW feel like a tech demo." Do I still have love for BotW? In some ways, but generally no.

[–] ilovecheese 2 points 1 year ago

It's a shame BotW didn't float your boat. I loved it to the extent I'm at around 1300 hours, lol.

I imagine I'll spend even longer on TotK in the long run, but I'll still play BotW too!

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