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I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope, the wells been poisoned. Even if they did a full 180 and Fired Spez for good measure, they've shown their hand. How long before they do it again? Even if all of this was %100 Spezs idea and everyone else in the company opposed it, could we really trust the replacement to never try this or anything similar again? How long before the next CEO decides to try again? What Reddit as a company has proven is that they can't be trusted, and what we as a community have proved with switching over to Kbin and Lemmy is that we don't need Reddit. We can make the same content and have the same or in some cases better communities and the beauty of doing it on a platform like this? A greedy corporation can't destroy it again. Even if a major instance owner goes rogue, we pick up move to another instance and keep going no need to learn a new site no need to rebuild communities. A simple "I'm moving over to this instance!" And that's it

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

maybe if spez is also removed, and the board reselected

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Damn redditors... They ruined reddit!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I wasn't on Reddit in the first place, so my opinion's not really relevant here, but I really enjoy the communities that have formed on Lemmy, so I do hope people stay around. I really strongly believe in the federation of networks over the centralization around capital.

[–] FreddyNO 7 points 2 years ago

No. Reddit has shown it's not what I signed up for. I learn my lession, goodbye reddit

[–] harbo 6 points 2 years ago

If Lemmy stays active I will stay on Lemmy, I like it here. There’s no way I will ever use Reddit without Apollo. If Christian decides to make a Lemmy app then it’s really game over for them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Not fully - those days are over, even if he gets fired (which sets me to wondering if he has some protection from that in his contract? but likely they could find a way regardless, like install a new position of "CEO overseer" that is above him, depending on the language).

And in its place seems to be a new era of freedom, where the content is divorced somewhat from the interface via federation, or at least Reddit is no longer the singular source of where all the good stuff is (I don't like watching videos - e.g. you can't "search" for stuff like you can text).

I help mod a tiny enthusiast sub over there so as people in it struggle to come to terms with what's going on, I haven't fully left there even now (yet...). Even so, even if Reddit backtracks, I like the idea of not putting everything into the one place anymore, b/c it makes the conditions for what happened too easily repeatable. If he felt that he had even the slightest competition, he would not have felt nearly so free to do what he did - so it falls to us (ALL of us) to not allow that to occur again.

Inside the walled gardens they take "good" care of you... but never forget that then you belong to them.

[–] xargs 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.

a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.

b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.

c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.

[–] damniel 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I agree with most of what you're saying, except for karma. Who gives a fuck

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No. This whole Fediverse feels like Reddit did in the beginning. Real conversations. Real sense of community. No pointless bloat or mindless repetition. I started actually participating because I'm not drowned out with a million ridiculous generic comments minutes after a post. Reddit will undoubtedly continue, but not with me as a part of it.

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[–] meejle 6 points 2 years ago

If that happens and spez steps down, yes. But I still wouldn't leave Lemmy.

[–] MiddleWeigh 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No.

I'm kinda finding that, DUH, I prefer small community. I enjoy helping build, sharing ideas, then ill move on after i burn all the bridges... Very me of me I guess.

I'm being facetious, but it's sort of the truth.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't really left reddit yet but I would probably not leave if they backtracked.

That said, I would still use Lemmy too. Probably more than reddit.

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[–] ben914 5 points 2 years ago

Lemmy, and kbin are both still rough around the edges and needs improvement, but I'm really interested in where they go from here. I really like the idea of the fediverse, and its open nature, and ability for anyone to host an instance. I really hope it's popularity continues to grow, and I definitely plan to stick around here whether or not Reddit rights it's wrongs this time around.

Reddit's CEO has shown his true colors, and it's yet another example of why we can never really rely on centralized, proprietary, and corporate owned services in the long term.

I have yet to decide whether or not I will completely abandon Reddit. I'm waiting to see if Reddit will change its stance about the API, and also if Lemmy and/or kbin remain active enough long term.

[–] Toasteh 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd be happier staying here as long as the community stays. Reddit has been going downhill for years and they keep making the experience worse for old/power users. Plus their shitty redesign will almost certainly be forced upon all users soon and I can't stand not using old.reddit.

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[–] luminaree 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not in the same way as before, that's for sure. It would mean that they only did it after people protested and disrupted the site for an extended period of time. They obviously don't want Reddit to be what we want it to be anymore. I'm sure they would still try to subvert the users' will and impose theirs in different ways. Plus, this has made me expand and actually seek out exciting new communities and platforms for the first time in a long time. These communities are filled with people who have similar opinions on what happened and how to move forward and create spaces we want to participate in. Whatever happens with Reddit can't undo that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Only if Spez leaves and is replaced by a decent CEO who reverses EVERYTHING that Spez has effed up in the past few years. I'd return for some small niche communities I participate on that aren't present in the lemmy-verse (yet). But I'd stay here too. I am committed to Federated services now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I’ve already deleted my 12 year old account, so doubt it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Fuck reddit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Not planning on returning. Reddit was getting crappy for a long time, particularly with how it responded to advertiser-unfriendly content. Federated social media is a better system, and by a metric of centralization, Reddit always sucked. It is a sad example of how corporations are successfully commercializating every aspect of human existence. I dropped in a couple times after June 11th in RiF, but at this point I feel no desire to open up the app.

Additionally, I've been posting a whole hell of a lot more here than I was on Reddit just a couple weeks prior. It's nice to feel wanted for once.

Lemmy and Kbin are early in their life cycles. I can put up with bugs and growing pains. Because the Fediverse is organized as a decentralized community, if one large group decides to enshittify their instance, we can just move to another instance or defederate from them if they pose a threat to the community. It's going to be very hard to unilaterally kill the whole community like what happened on Reddit and Digg. If it becomes possible in one of the Fediverse applications, we can read the source code, sound the alarm, and fork it or patch it out.

I had to learn how to use Reddit; I will learn how to use the Fediverse too. We'll get through this.

[–] Texas_Hangover 5 points 2 years ago

Not me. reddit has been getting shittier and shittier for years, now I'm finally rid of it. It's like getting out of an abusive relationship lol.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Not me. For me it's half a matter of principle, but I'm also liking the fact that I don't waste as much time doomscrolling

[–] Hildegarde 4 points 2 years ago

Reddit has been going downhill for a while. I stopped using it actively years ago because it was useless to have any sort of conversation or discussion. I only used it passively as a content delivery platform.

If reddit can deliver enjoyable content to a third party ad-free app on my phone, I'll probably keep using it that way.

So far lemmy has been a good place for discussion so I'll be here nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

No. Reddit's enshitification started a long time ago. This is just the catalyst. Corpo-stooges can get bent

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Sure. In the same vein, I'll go back to twitter if elon musk somehow restored it to the way it was before before his purchase.

Neither scenario will happen, of course. But if we're talking about hypotheticals, I wouldn't have an issue returning.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s hard to imagine a scenario where I go back to Reddit.
I really like FOSS but I’m not a true believer type, and this whole situation just really icked me out on Reddit. I wasn’t even a third-party app person, I mostly used the official app on my iPhone. But before June 12 I deleted it and downloaded Apollo instead. Since June 12 I have barely interacted with it.
I’ve been trying out every alternative since. Kbin, Mastodon, RSS feeds, Tumblr, hell I’ve even been trying out Instagram although I know Meta is arguably worse. Kbin + RSS feeds + Tumblr is almost there, just need a lot more discussion on Kbin.
Tl;dr: really, probably, no.

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[–] thesalamander 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's definitely a wait and see situation. My Reddit account is gone, so if Lemmy continues to grow I see no reason why I'd go back. If Lemmy dies, then obviously I wouldn't have anywhere else to go.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

No way, federated universe has opened my eyes. Rather stay here and help grow the community instead

[–] mnoom 4 points 2 years ago

I would probably use reddit again as it is a useful resource, but not post/vote or anything

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