Hmmm, tbh, I don't think that's a feature I'd want. Every now and again you see "that guy" furious that he's getting downvotes, doubling down and trying to start an argument or something. I don't need that guy showing up in my DMs.
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It actually already is a feature. Kbin puts it upfront, and I think lemmy also has a way to access it.
I think it remains to be seen whether or not it’s a good idea.
I’ve seen some people say they like the idea because it make people think twice about downvoting - it cuts back on the instinctive “I don’t like this so I am gonna downvote.”
But, as you said, do we really want people coming after you because you downvoted them? There are crazy ass people out there, and if you ever get doxxed it could be a problem.
Maybe that last point is hyperbole, but crazy people are gonna do crazy things.
"karma" (as reddit calls scoring) never was more true to its name. :)
I haven't looked at Lemmy's implementation of upvotes/downvotes, but they should be ActivityPub activities, so it means they should appear by making a request to the user's actor.
EDIT: I've just checked random users outbox (that's the ActivityPub name for the list of activities), included mine, they are actually just empty. So that probably means that Lemmy is only publishing the upvotes/downvotes when pushing activities to federated servers, which would make those activities way more private, although not completely : someone could setup their own instance to learn about them, and it's best to be assume that at some point, someone will start such instance and publish an app revealing all votes for everybody (plus, as others mentioned, Kbin is already doing it).
Right.
My intuition says this has to do with kbin wanting to interface with mastodon, but I cant be sure.
I do wonder how this will impact the Fediverse as it grows. I would not be surprised if the feature creates schisms in the future.
Yeah agree I am not sure that's a feature I'd want either tbh if it wasn't already there. But seems like it is in some form.
Yeah, having it on your user page is much less dangerous, imo. Still a possibility of getting called out if you downvote someone you're arguing with, but you're already in the comments there.
The only way I see a problem is if someone writes a bot or extension that reads the user profile into something "per comment", and if that gets enough traction and use to build up a strong database. However, in that case, I'd imagine the Lemmy devs would build a feature to let instance admins hide that information from regular users.
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It's possible now if you visit the same page through kbin.
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Oh, I know who upvotes me. It's the awesome people.
And the people who downvote me are the people that suck.
Upvoting because I want to be an awesome person
You were awesome before you upvoted!
Me as well!
Don't get your feelings hurt by fake internet points, m'dude.
On Kbin, you can: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/329396/How-many-of-you-are-actually-chatbots/votes/down
On Lemmy, it's ~~available on the AP~~ available in the database, so an admin instance can get that, but I don't know of any client that offers the feature
i don't think it's in the api. is in the DB, but not exposed anywhere. one instance admin could do query and see them.
Ah, that might be it, I didn't remember exactly how it was working
What are downvotes seen by kbin users on lemmy content? It could just be the kbin instance's local downvotes of the federated content but I never noticed a lack of down votes on lemmy-hosted content when I was running a personal kbin instance.
kbin doesn't federate (in or out) downvotes. To the best of my knowledge lemmy doesn't either. But, I'm not 100% on that.
Ahhh right so the information is there publicly available just not in the existing clients. Interesting.
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If that becomes a thing i will stop voting on posts and comments.
you can but preserve your sanity and stay away from it
Open any post on KBin. Click the url, and add /votes/down. those are the people who downvoted that post.
If the post is from Lemmy you can view "favourites" and "reduces" instead, just add /favourites or /reduces to the end of the url.
Enjoy :)
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If votes are federated somebody could theoretically make a fork of Lemmy that will show who voted, but that instance has to federate with all other instances
No. It is impossible to tell.
Well over on Reddit let them know that’s on kbin.
People keep mentioning the kbin trick but it seems to show only the downvoters that are on kbin?
Upvotes are "favourites" on kbin.
Yes, but I'm talking about downvotes. It seems like you'll only see those coming from kbin users.
You will only see them on the instance it happens too. If I downvote on my own instance it will only ever be seen as a downvote here. kbin doesn't federate the downvotes in either direction. I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't think lemmy does either.
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