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While Baldur's Gate 3 is being widely celebrated by fans and developers alike, some are panicking that this could set new expectations from fans. Good.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

OMG OMG OMG!!! The peasants will expect quality now! We're doomed! Doomed!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not only quality, but they'll also expect a released game to be finished at launch!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

In my area of business, 'being finished" is a part of "quality".

I.e., something that's unfinished, cannot be said to have high quality

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

…from a developer that disavows micro transactions!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

... proceeds with another yearly installment of game X that could have been released as DLC, but instead built it as "a new game", selling at 1 cent per bug.

[–] Nioxic 3 points 1 year ago

Lets be honest.. most studios and individual devs wanna make awesome games.

A lot are just forced to release at a certain (bad) time due to shareholders etc

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I might just buy this at full price even though I don't have any intention of playing it any time soon, just to show support for a game studio that is still doing it right.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve been holding off on this because I have too many games going right now, but this guy convinced me. I’m buying this now. The example Larian is setting must be rewarded.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

It is definitely worth the money. There are still some random bugs, but they’re so small compared to most games nowadays, and it really is absolutely amazing. They’ve upped the bar, and that’s why some folks are sweating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That is a good point. I will do the same on PS5.

[–] Eczpurt 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The $20 horse armor, the $100 collectors edition, and the $15 battle pass seems like a joke but looking back it's hard to remember the last game without 3 DLCs, a battle pass, micro transactions, or all 3.

I've been frustrated at this style of game design since it started and I'm glad there's a company blazing a path to what could be a new standard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There's a reason the video mentions recent bangers like Elden Ring, Vampire Survivors, etc. I'm still playing those games after beating them. Because they don't abuse my time or constantly remind me they want more money.

[–] Ado 5 points 1 year ago

it's hard to remember the last game without 3 DLCs, a battle pass, micro transactions, or all 3.

And being full price on top of it all lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What game had $20 horse armor?

[–] Eczpurt 2 points 1 year ago

I recall an Oblivion expansion had a horse armor dlc. I think it came with a little extra content but the horse armor was the star.of the show. Maybe it's just a bit of hyperbole.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Lol dude absolutely tore apart Diablo at the end there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Is there something I can read instead of giving some jackass a view on Youtube?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To summarize the actual tweets/comments/etc that these videos (there are multiple) are panicking about.

  1. Smaller studios aren't going to be able to replicate the scale and complexity of BG3. So people shouldn't be using BG3 as the bar to compare future titles/RPGs from other studios going forward. Larian is comparable in size (or even larger) to Bethesda when they released Skyrim, and no one has been able to compete directly with Skyrim either.

  2. Not all games and RPGs need to be as complex and long as BG3. Expecting open-ended, 100 hour-long RPGs for every future game/RPG isn't realistic. Not all games require that scope, it's rare to get such a budget for this type of game, and even if you did, most companies won't be able to replicate the game in a meaningful way. Just like how companies other than Rockstar would struggle to replicate the scale of games like GTA and RDR.

There, I've summarized multiple 20 min videos. Just without all the hand-waving and drama.

[–] OskarAxolotl 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody expects Indie developers to deliver a game like BG3. I doubt this is an actual issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, seriously. When I purchase an indie game I expect it to differentiate itself with artistic vision more than 100 hours of gameplay I don't enjoy or have time for. So many of the 100 hour games are boring and bloated as hell at a certain point, e.g. Ubisoft games. Nintendo's new Zelda formula is the only open world gameplay style where I enjoyed the entire 100+ hours of playtime and I don't expect indie devs to produce fucking Zelda.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, I see you definitely didn’t actually watch the video.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering I’m the one who posted it, yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You would be far from the only person who has posted a link to an article/video they have never read/watched.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a pretty good video with a good message. All the more surprising is that it was from IGN.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I prefer not to sit through a 10 minute video for something that requires less than a minute reading time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have no doubt that the game is outstanding, but after seeing headlines like this all week, it really smells like an advertising campaign.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not advertising. These are the Steam reviews. It's organic hype. It's just wierd because we have had such a shit time with AAA games for years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not advertising. These are the Steam reviews.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive, but I hope you're right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It is actually that good. First game to fully recapture the magic of Dragon Age Origins

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It might be, but what would that change about the story? Unless Larian is paying other studios to say that they're panicking (which I doubt, for a million reasons), then I'm not so sure there's any difference to the situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Sites like IGN must follow gaming trends to survive. BG3 is a huge release and I've been seeing this story everywhere for weeks, increasing in frequency.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

With Elden Ring last year and TotK and BG3 now, I'm starting to feel that most Western studios, especially American ones, are just dead and run by parasitic C tier movie executives. Always rehashing the exact same IP / formula for each game, and some how doing a crappy job at that, while charging higher and higher price.

Gamers really need to be better consumers as well, and learn to detach ourselves from brand/studio loyalty. Your gaming time is highly desirable, don't sell it cheaply.