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Leftist Infighting: A community dedicated to allowing leftists to vent their frustrations

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The purpose of this community is sort of a "work out your frustrations by letting it all out" where different leftist tendencies can vent their frustrations with one another and more assertively and directly challenge one another. Hostility is allowed, but any racist, fascist, or reactionary crap wont be tolerated, nor will explicit threats.

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I'm astonished at how sensitive the mods must be over there.

Apparently you're allowed to say whatever baseless slander you like about the eeeeevil tankies but the minute someone says "Hold up a sec, you claim to be anti-authoritarian and yet you support authoritarianism either explicitly or implicitly?" and they have to shut it down immediately.

Regardless, I think I made a pretty solid counterargument to the typical complaint about communism being authoritarian.

Mfers skim read the Wikipedia entry on Hannah Arendt and start thinking they're justified in slinging accusations about "muh authoritarianism" smh.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I still see it on there. But I barely understand how this site works to be honest. Am dum millenial here

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

killing enough people so there's enough to go around

You see stupid tankie, material wealth is just a big limited pile of stuff that is just there to take, so less people = more for everyone, easy! 🤡

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Libs:

"Chiner killed a bunch of its own people and that's how they lifted themselves out of extreme poverty!!"

Also libs:

"Chiner is sitting on a demographic timebomb [which is false, btw] which will cause their population to crash and it will tank their economy!!"

[–] Astroturfed 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, those aren't really points that contradict each other at all. I wrote a research paper in college about demographic distributions and their effects on economic conditions in developed economies. The data we have shows that a aging population without a corresponding number of active younger workers always causes some systemic issues. It's not about the people dieing it's about the distribution of the population. In the famines and deaths during China's rise the people who died the most were the more vulnerable/less productive members of the society/economy. Which objectively likely helped the economy. The less productive members of an economy (the elderly) outnumbering the more productive younger members is never going to be a positive.

Look at what's going on in Japan. The shrinking population and aging demographics have followed some logical and predictable patterns. The youth have moved to the cities where the jobs are. As people are reliant on savings and pensions as a larger slice of the economies spending goes down and the economy shrinks. The rural areas of the country are in severe decline. You can literally get a free house far enough outside of the major cities. China is primed for this to happen in a much larger way from all statistics.

As someone with a graduate degree in economics who supports more of a socialist or communist policy shift worldwide, these bullshit arguments that snub all available data annoy the hell out of me. There's plenty of rational arguments and data to support communist/socialist ideas. You don't need to argue with established economic theory and data.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh that's really weird, it's not showing up for me when I go into that thread? (Hence why I had to paste a screenshot of my comment and edit it into the image.)

Looks like you're in a dum millenial contest but your opponent is me 💀

Edit: If I type the hyperlink in your screenshot into my browser, I can access the comment - but it looks like it's only visible from the lemmygrad end or something? I wonder if federation works bi-directionally and one side has defederated but lemmygrad hasn't or something like that? Weird.

Edit 2: Damn, this gets weirder. Different instances show different comments — some comments are consistently shown across instances, some comments only appear on certain instances, and the up/downvote counts are wildly different across the instances too. One comment will be at -5 on one instance and yet it will be at +7 on another.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does it say, 'removed by mod' on lemmy.ml?

If not, it may be a bug or maybe you blocked the user? Blocking a user hides all comments that branch off from that user's comments.

If it was removed by a mod, it could be due to the perceived call for violence. Depending on the mods location, that kind of thing can result in unwanted attention.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is where it gets weird.

I'm using Connect on android and my instance is Lemmygrad.ml (which is what the app says I'm connecting via when I go to the thread) but when I copy-paste a permalink to the top-level comment my browser directs me to an instance that is discuss.tchncs.de (?) and my comment isn't shown nor is there a message stating that it's been removed.

When I access the comment thread via my browser and manually navigating to it from lemmy.ml, I can see my comment in the thread (plus a lot more comments) and the vote counts for comments that span both of these instances are significantly different. The same goes for navigating to lemmygrad.ml.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That instance has deferated from us so you won't see your comment when viewing from rheir instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay. If discuss.tchncs.de has defederated from Lemmygrad, viewing the thread on their instance won't show any Lemmygrad responses. The fact that you get sent to the tchncs.de page is strange. The permalink (the rainbow web button) usually(?) takes you to the instance on which the post/comment was made. Here, that should be lemmy.ml. I could understand if the OP was using a tchncs.de account, but they're posting from kbin.social. I would have thought that the permalink would take you to the post on lemmy.ml but visible on kbin.social if it didn't take you directly to lemmy.ml.

Is Connect a browser or a lemmy app? If it's an app created by a tchncs.de user, maybe the default permalink is through that instance?

Either way, it doesn't look like it's been removed. It looks like you're being redirected to an instance that defederated from LG. If tchncs.de is federated with LG, that's even stranger and I'm all out of ideas.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I've noticed similar weird things too. Apparently federation is still in it's infancy and we're not very knowledgeable either I guess

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not knowledgeable at all!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no you are tho! You are more knowledgeable than average redditors to find out Lemmy and federation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Connect is a Lemmy app for Android. I guess it must be developed by a tchncs.de user or something. Thanks for troubleshooting!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

np. I may be very wrong; it's mostly guess work!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

the comment is still there, and it doesn't seem like it was ever removed based on the modlog

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I got banned for saying "fuck cops" so

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

fuckin hate libs

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out comes "authoritarians" again, like that word means anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Proud authoritarian, here. I think the proletariat should have political and economic authority over the bourgeoisie.

Might as well be a redfash Nazi I guess.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

"Authoritarian" is their favourite word. Completely, utterly meaningless. But everyone "knows it when they see it" so it makes for the perfect shibboleth to separate them from those evil authoritarian tankies.

The only good thing about the word is if someone tries to use it in an argument unironically, I know they have 0 idea of what they are talking about. A shame that is something people in the west seem to be proud of though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But Nazi literally stands for National Socialist???? Take that Tankies!