Whoa, what a cool project! It seems like way more than I need for single-user purposes, but I've been relying on Moonlight, Sunshine, and Chiaki quite a lot more than I ever expected to since I ended up taking quite a liking to using the Steam Deck as a pseudo thin-client. Kind of the best of both worlds letting another machine do the heavy lifting somewhere else in the house, so any advancements in the local game streaming space are extremely welcome to see.
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2023
110 points (98.2% liked)
Selfhosted
39939 readers
578 users here now
A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.
Rules:
-
Be civil: we're here to support and learn from one another. Insults won't be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.
-
No spam posting.
-
Posts have to be centered around self-hosting. There are other communities for discussing hardware or home computing. If it's not obvious why your post topic revolves around selfhosting, please include details to make it clear.
-
Don't duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.
-
Submission headline should match the article title (donβt cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).
-
No trolling.
Resources:
- selfh.st Newsletter and index of selfhosted software and apps
- awesome-selfhosted software
- awesome-sysadmin resources
- Self-Hosted Podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting
Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.
Questions? DM the mods!
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Yeah the Steam Deck is such a perfect target for Moonlight I use it for all the demanding games that I can't run properly natively or when playing on the couch with a big screen.
Wow, this is impressive. Already seems quite stable, I got it running straight away on a headless machine with an Intel i5-7400T running Ubuntu 22.04. I think I need to do some optimising, but I can already use it as a somewhat convoluted way to get proper adblocking on an iPad!
I noticed a small mistake in the docs - the docker run command in the quickstart is missing a backslash.
The PulseAudio container also doesn't stop when the main wolf container stops - not sure if that's expected behaviour or not.
I'm excited to see where this project goes, I can see a bunch of uses for this running graphical application remotely.
ingenious idea, but for having adfree youtube on the ipad the easiest way is to use invidious :)
Thanks for trying it out and for the feedback, I'm glad it works!
You are right, we should probably stop and remove the pulse container; I'll add it to the things that needs to be improved.
Very cool indeed!
This is really awesome, and might fit the bill for a linux terminal server environment im setting up. Ill defo take a look when I can.
This looks promising! How's k8s compatibility/support? As I understand k8s doesn't officially support splitting the GPU between pods, but there apparently some workarounds.
I don't have a lot of experience in k8s but the basic principle should work; at the moment Wolf connects directly to the Docker socket in order to spin up and down apps on demand.
I guess there might be some issues in passing the required socket files to the pods, but the whole running model can be changed in theory. Instead of having a single Wolf process you have one front instance that deals with clients and the Moonlight protocol which in turns starts new Wolf pods with the app running that then feed audio and video stream directly to clients.
Definitely do-able, just needs some proper thinking and probably a proper REST API
Would i deploy this on a VM or Bare Metal? Evaluating whether i should try it on my Unraid.
But looks Great!
It doesn't matter, as long as you have Docker installed (and possibly a GPU to HW accelerate things) you are good to go!
Does it matter what kind of GPU you have? Would any GPU be able to run multiple gaming instances at the same time?
They should all be supported but there's only so many types of HW that we can test. So far we've got reports of Nvidia, AMD and Intel all working in different setups.
That's great to hear. This might be the holy grail of game streaming server setups. I could build one strong server with one gpu and have it serve an arbitrary number of clients. Since they are all effectively Linux desktops, they should have a wide range of compatibility via WINE and emulators.
I did some more research and came up with another question: Does Vulkan work on AMD GPUs?
I could build one strong server with one gpu and have it serve an arbitrary number of clients
That's exactly our goal as well, there are still things that needs to be fixed and improved but the underlying idea is implemented and it works!
Does Vulkan work on AMD GPUs? It surely does!
I'll definitely set up an instance when I get some spare time.
Once you have it mature, you should reach out to Craft Computing on YouTube. He did a ~16 video series on different ways to build a private game streaming server and I believe what you have here would be much more achievable for a normal person.
Very nice! I've been on the hunt for a headless gamestream solution but not found something yet so will definitely be watching this project.
On first run it was failing to work, console log was showing http errors.
Also, it looks like lots of things run with Docker priveleged=true / root permissions? That's a no-go in my book. Any reason why?
On first run it was failing to work, console log was showing http errors.
Would you like to open up an issue on Github or share some logs in our Discord channel?
Also, it looks like lots of things run with Docker priveleged=true
Are you talking about Games on Whales compose file and script? That's a bit legacy as things are right now, Wolf does run all containers as unprivileged by default
Oops! Mixed up the two repos. Thanks for clarifying.
I'll post a log as well with the error I'm getting.
Makes sense, as for the HTTP errors someone else reported on the Discord server that it might happen if you had previously paired on that host with Sunshine. If you unpair from Moonlight and pair again it seems to work
Damn that's cool
What's required to map a folder into one of the containers (i.e. retroarch)? I've attempted to edit config.toml to include it, but the main wolf container immediately crashes on boot due to interrupt code 11. There's no other error messages, just a binary stack trace.
The folder exists. I've tried directly mounting the host path as well as mounting it into Wolf-Wolf-1 and using the local path, but nothing works. Even perfectly mirrored paths don't work. Wolf appears to be running as root so I don't think it's a permissions error? I can certainly access the folders. They are a locally mounted NFS, but I've used this with dozens of containers without issue.
It's probably failing to parse the config.toml file, although that should usually print a proper error line. Have you tried deleting the file or copy and paste the default?
Looks like the mount definitions require the :ro (or maybe :rq?) at the end unlike regular docker volumes, that was the issue.
Ooops that was a lazy leftover from my side, sorry about that. Thanks for letting me know, I'll fix it soon!
So, you can use this as a sort of private GeForce now if Iβm correct.
Interesting project! Almost got reminded of Kasm, until I watched the YouTube video.
Kasm is probably similar in many ways, we are more focused on running videogames at low latency, compared to a more general remote desktop solution.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it! Keep up the good work.